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Re: Three points of contact

Subject: Re: Three points of contact
by RJHIII on 2009/1/29 9:00:41

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This is true if you are "torquing" (applying lots of uncontrolled, non-specific tension) into your opponent.
If, however, you are doing what Hatsumi Sensei and the top Shihan are constantly demonstrating, using specific amounts of tension to create a false sense of security in the opponent's proprioceptive system (kyojitsu), then you will be able to have many points of contact and still "take the fight out" of him. (This is what Papasan is referring to I believe)


I understand exactly what you mean. You’ve used this type of movement on me, as well as seen it demonstrated over and over again by the shihan – I’m not going to disagree with you of whether it works it does. However, I have to disagree with how it works and the general mechanics.

I agree Proprioception does create dissonance; however it is still done through three points of contact. Keep in mind we are talking about throws and standing techniques in general, if we are talking about submissions then the three points of contact idea can go out the window.

Rob, I think your movement uses only three points of contact in throws and other general set up to throwing techniques. But they are moving points of contact creating the illusion of more than three points of contact but there are only three points.

The response that people have is the product of their trying to counter a balance point or find a reference point to stabilize their balance, but they are late on the response and adjusting at the wrong places. You do this by traveling along many points but retaining only three points of contact.

You are sliding along multiple points but in reality only have three points at any given time. Now if this is what everyone means by multiple points of contact I have no disagreements.

As far as taking away their aggressiveness, confusion can take it away but you do that not by multiple points. And aggressiveness isn’t necessarily taken away by these movements, you may stop them from attacking, not because you are being nice to them, but rather that you are controlling them.

I'll add this for a rather easy introduction:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1699
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