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Re: Kenjutsu in the Bujinkan

Subject: Re: Kenjutsu in the Bujinkan
by Garth on 2009/7/18 17:41:21

So after two pages since my original post where I have been called an idiot, or someone who fails to know what I am talking about, even though I might add, I have made no claims, but only asked questions or suggestions.

I have produced quotes by Dr Karl Friday and even produced statistics of battlefield injuries. I have spoken about the Gyokko Ryu Densho which no one has claimed I am wrong about i.e. Togakure Ryu being listed on the Gyokko Ryu Densho, I have even pointed out where Don can find the informaton in relation to the sword lengths when he posted in relation to what i wrote...

Garth wrote:
Well as it was explained to me, The swords on the battlefields were too heavy and cumbersome to do those type of cuts. These cuts are common with latter edo period sword work (Off the battlefield) but not on the battlefield.

His reply...

Accept the fact that you know nothing about the subject matter and stop postulating about things only to try to defend your theories later on as the silliness of them is pointed out to you.

So he fails to say why I am wrong.

OK I pointed out earlier that Don should read some books by an author called Dr Hatsumi. Do try page 96 of Japanese sword fighting where he talks about the importance of spear over sword and how easier the spear was to use over the sword and how many famous swordsmen during war actually were spearmen first. And on page 94 he talks about the spears effectiveness to penetrate the weak points in the armour (No Don not slashes with swords against armour) The blade even if a sword was used was to be aimed towards weakness between the armour plates.

Here Don let me quote it for you page 92

"In a situation in which one has to fight a soldier who is protected by armour, inflicting damage with a single stroke of the sword is a very difficult technique that requires exceptional ability.....thrusting and cutting in to a weakness in the armour..."

As I said Don read it. He's quite good you know.

He also speaks in that same book about how the length in shaku and sun changed over time in regard to the warring states period and the Tokugawa period, and how long the swords really were in the Warring states period. And according to Dr Hatsumi 1573 - 92 roughly 2 shaku 2 sun. yet 1331-33 4 shaku 4 sun (twice as long Don), and he continues about the length of the swords in different periods.

Are you seriously trying to say that a sword like the one on page 176 can be handled as easily as a Tokugawa period katana?

But anyway back to my main point.

Even though i have made quotes, references, statistics all the posters have done on here is try to make out that I know nothing about what i am suggesting. But the interesting point is that the posters on here have failed to actually bring up any counter evidence to what I have suggested.

All they say is "Why should we tell you" or why should I waste my time (even though they continue to reply to my posts)

And to reply to Mr Mrdunsky (I apologise if thats wrong) Yes my group is now in the process of joining the Bujinkan and as far as i am aware I have never been banned from Kutaki.

And yes we are joining via Norman Smithers and we will be training with him on a monthly basis.

But you know although I have respect for many people in the Bujinkan when I get involved in debates like this I can understand why the Bujinkan has a very bad rap.

I'm done here.

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