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Poem question
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Sorry guys, this isn't a poem... just a question.

Wasn't there a poem (I think Shawn posted it) that made reference to the Bujinkan, the nine ryuha, etc, and the Lord of the Rings? I really liked it but I can't seem to find it.

Posted on: 2006/3/20 0:39
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Re: Kutaki Access - Important!
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Darren,

You are correct in stating that this is Shawn's site and it is his to do with as he wishes. That was not the point of either Aric or Phil's posts. Both were, I'm sure, making reference to the stated hope and implied theory that the level of the discussion bar will be raised by virtue of the new posting rules. While this theory/hope remains to be proven/validated or disproven/dashed, I agree with Aric and Phil that requiring posters to have a yellow card will not, in and of itself, raise the bar.

Yes, having the yellow card does not make one wise or unwise. No, not having the yellow card does not make one wise or unwise. Having the yellow card makes you a yellow card holder... and coupled with an internet connection, able to post on Kutaki.

May the bar be raised.

Posted on: 2006/3/19 11:46
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Re: The Grass is always Greener - part 2 (the sequel)
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The "Dos and Don'ts" are specifically covered in the "Rules for Bujinkan Membership". I'm not sure how that is unclear.

As to training dogma, no, I see nothing wrong with doing some experimentation with various training methods in order to more fully understand the inner workings and principles of taijutsu in general. I don't find that idea to be in conflict with my teacher's training philosophy or that of Hatsumi-sensei.

Everyone has a different way by which they process information and understand concepts. As a result, different individuals may need to look at various principles through various filters to fully understand them. Again, if you feel the need to use bags and pads, use them (I do). There is no need to be given permission to be smart in your training. Hatsumi-sensei is attempting (I think) to treat us as adults by giving us the lattitude to find "our" budo instead of force-feeding us "his". An alternate way of looking at this is that he's giving us rope. Whether we choose to climb it to the heighths or choose to hang ourselves with it is our choice.

As to the rest of your post... I'm unclear of your intent. You are receiving answers to your questions yet you continue to repeat yourself. Beyond that are you suggesting that there is no relationship between dakentaijutsu, kosshijutsu, and koppojutsu? If that is true, that is baffling to me but would explain some other things.

It's your budo, Ralph. Find it or don't. Coincidentally, it's also your rope.

Posted on: 2006/2/19 6:26
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Re: The Grass is always Greener - part 2 (the sequel)
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This is getting somewhat circular and redundant... here's my .02...

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Personally I have never seen such training in any Bujinkan Dojo I've visited or any trainer in the Bujinkan I have spoke with either. This doesn't mean it is void only then I've never witnessed it. And you are correct, it doesn't state in any DVD that it isn't allowed. But it doesn't state it is or even you should training this manner or in a Dojo setting with pads and bags.
ralph severe, kamiyama


Ralph, I can't say that you have or have not experienced this thinking in the Bujinkan with Bujinkan instructors... But I am almost certain that you have been exposed to it because I know enough about some of your budo influences to make some pretty educated guesses about the content of your guidance.

What I mean by this is, simply because a teacher does not expressly tell you that a sort of training might be beneficial, does not mean they intend for you not to do it. This is part of what Dan is implying. I think that there are a lot of training practices and focii that Hatsumi-sensei specifically and others generally do not promote and at the same time do not discourage for the simple fact that the philosophical undercurrent is that different sorts of training is necessary and applicable to different sorts of practitioners and environments.

If pad work is necessary to your dakentaijutsu development... use it. If you find it necessary to use "natural" daken-development tools (like those shown in the SFR video and discussed by both Hatsumi-sensei and Takamatsu-sensei in their writings) do it. If you find that your dakentaijutsu is still lacking maybe you should look at some of the other systems behind it, like maybe your understanding of koppojutsu and/or kosshjutsu... You are permitted to use your brain and to experiment with things to find how they work and are inter-related. I doubt anyone told you not to however no one may have told you to do so . Is this your problem with the Bujinkan organization? Were you waiting for permission to do realistic, effective training?

Posted on: 2006/2/19 5:31
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Re: has 400pg.com closed down?
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looks like an oppertunity for somebody......


Here's the thing...

I have in the past run a screen printing and embroidery business. Not simply contracting the work out but actually creating the art and doing the garment decoration. A few years ago, a friend and I considered providing custom and stock items that we felt would be of interest to the Bujinkan community. Because the use of the Bujin kanji, various logos, and Bujinkan name itself are protected and limited by international trademark and copyright laws, before actually offering anything, I had my friend (living in Japan at the time) ask Hatsumi-sensei for permission to use the name, etc for the purposes of printing/embroidering the proposed items for sale. He refused. My friend made the request again at a later date and, again, he was refused. A reason was not given on either occasion. As a result, we did not continue with our plans to provide Bujinkan specific items with or without any sort of "protected" decoration.

This may seem a small issue to some. Having worked and made my living in the graphic arts and printing industry in the past, I understand the need for these sorts of protections and I have very high ethical standards about this... high enough that not having Hatsumi-sensei's permission to use his property precluded me from going ahead with a potentially very profitable business that I felt and still feel would have been a valuable service to the Bujinkan community. Hatsumi-sensei has of course granted permission to shidoshi to use the Bujinkan name and logo's as they see fit for the use of their respective dojo but, unless one secures express permission to reproduce his intellectual property for broader commercial use, it would be illegal and unethical to do so. If one were to choose to do it, nothing would likely come of it. I doubt seriously that Hatsumi-sensei would press the issue. However, that does not mean that no one would take notice and unethical is unethical. I would encourage anyone who wants to attempt this enterprise to secure Hatsumi-sensei's blessing first.

I wish Beto all the best and if he has an "heir" I wish them good luck and ethical business practice.

Posted on: 2006/2/16 10:53
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Re: Kukishin Ryu = Kukishinden Ryu?
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Thanks Harada-sensei. Your equation was a helpful clarification.

Posted on: 2006/2/13 0:39
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Re: Kukishin Ryu = Kukishinden Ryu?
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Quote:

Tamatora (Harada-san) wrote:

The answer is easy.

Kukishinden Ryu = { Kukishin Ryu, .... }

This equation explains all about the problems, which we can not discuss at here.

Also we never say like "Kukishin Ryu Taijutsu Happo Biken". It is ridiculous, if you understand what "Happo Biken" is.

Mathematics note:
A={a,b,c,...} here 'a','b','c',... are elements of a set A


Would that be the sort of accuracy you were looking for?

And for the record, I was previously paraphrasing. Not quoting.

Posted on: 2006/2/12 12:03
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Re: Neck conditioning...
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Of course you're correct. I don't take my training seriously. I anticipate the lynch mob any time now. I suppose it's too late to perfect my lynchjutsu counters.

I'm not saying anything is either possible or impossible. Is it possible that you might be hanged? I suppose. Is it possible that you might train yourself to survive such a trauma? I don't have any idea but for the sake of argument I'll concede that it *might* be possible (Clint Eastwood did so in a movie, if memory serves). But ultimately, if your warrior training is focusing on such extreme eventualities, you might be better served by training to avoid such unpleasantry.

Good luck with your hanging.

Posted on: 2006/2/12 5:52
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Re: Neck conditioning...
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Wow Carl. I'm really enjoying your posts.

First, you wanted to know if there is a Bujinkan sub-art that will teach you to dress as an inanimate object. Next, you wanted to know how to dislocate your thumbs so that you can escape from handcuffs and other forms of bondage. Now, you want to condition your neck so that you may be safely "hung".

These queries might be better asked at the Sho Kusugi Super Duper Ninja Forum.

Posted on: 2006/2/12 4:05
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Re: Kukishin Ryu = Kukishinden Ryu?
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Pocari,

Yes you responded to that post. It did not seem that you took it as I took it. Let's write that difference off to tone and my inability to read the written word.

Beyond that, my point with the "native" speaker point was that early in this thread, Harada-san expressed an opinion about the need to call anything happo hiken/biken. I would assume that he did so from a native understanding of nihongo. The question of Kukishinden Ryu Happo Hikenjutsu vs. Kukishinden Happo Hikenjutsu seems to fall into the same catagory to me. Yes Hatsumi-sensei is a native speaker and very fluent. I never implied otherwise and thank you for clarifying the obvious. However, Harada is also a native speaker of the Japanese language. Yet, there was some confusion on his part for the need to use the terminology that we are using. It seemed to me at the time that he [Harada-san]was implying that the use of 'happo biken' was somewhat redundant when referring to these arts and on the basis of that difference of "native understanding" there might be some merit to someone not seeing the need for or the correctness of adding Ryu to Kukishinden.

In short, if the native speakers and those close in proximity to Soke are having difficulty understanding the linguistic nuances, apparent redundancies in terminology, etc., my position is that it is probably naive for those of us living in Europe and the US to make assumptions about the correctness or incorrectness of various terminology in this Japanese art. Regardless of our "advanced" level of understanding of this art, Japanese culture, or the Japanese language.

I'm not suggesting anyone is correct other than Hatsumi-sensei in this regard. Personally I don't have a vested interest in it being one way or the other. I was enjoying the various opinions and in an attempt to keep them coming and possibly "bracket" some facsimile of the truth I was simply pointing out some things that I thought may have been missed by others in this thread.

I am glad to see that things are much clearer about this issue in Finland than they are here.

Posted on: 2006/2/12 3:40
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