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Re: Some help Please
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Hello all,

I have a question. When I received my godan certificate and my shidoshi license, I didn't receive a shidoshi card. Is this a seperate charge from the above mentioned items? If so how much and who do I send payment to? Also I need to update my personal information with Honbu as I have recently moved.

Thank you for your help,
Jim Delorto

PS if there is a more appropriate thread for this please move


This seems to be the way the system works. None of us California guys got cards for the first year after we passed the test. When you renew next year you will get a card.

Posted on: 2007/8/24 2:00
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Re: Rant: Trading Training For Weed
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Thom - I don't know what Parallel Universe you come from, and even if you have ANY relationship with the Bujinkan whatsoever, but seriously - you need to fuck off.

If this kind of stupid trash is allowed on Kutaki, I will not participate. Our culture does not condone or tolerate ANY of the behaviors mentioned by this guy. Any Bujinkan teacher engaging in seriously immoral behavior would have to do so hidden completely away from the rest of the Bujinkan community.

I add my voice of protest to ELizabeth's - Moderators, please do your job and remove this entire thread. PLEASE DO SO before this thread is archived on the internet.

Posted on: 2007/8/24 0:59
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Re: Rant: Trading Training For Weed
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Fine then. Keep yer damn weed.

Posted on: 2007/8/22 10:00
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Re: How to disagree
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Daniel -

First, on what authority are you making comments in regards to trees? Are you a degreed and licensed botanist?

There very well could be a genetically created orange tree that grows apples as well. Do you have proof that this couldn't be the case?

I think it's obvious that you know nothing about trees and really shouldn't be posting about trees in an authoritative manner.

(this is what is called an "ambush", possibly even with strawman or red herring aspects. Maybe a red straw ambush?)

Posted on: 2007/8/3 5:22
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Re: Dhatu Vada Kata (subtitled, the myth of the correct kata)
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MrFranco, all I have to say is....

Uh, on second thought I'll sneak out the back door and jump the fence.

buh bye.

Posted on: 2007/8/1 13:06
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Re: Dhatu Vada Kata (subtitled, the myth of the correct kata)
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TenChiJin Guy wrote:

Hi Greg -

Sorry about not being clearer. You are correct with what you have said.

However, there is this post from the past:
http://www.kutaki.org/modules/newbb/v ... hp?topic_id=2293&forum=17

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Again, hope that helps as well...


I have used the "snip" approach before with success, or at least a lack of complaint, but certainly quoting a whole huge reply can also get you in trouble...

Good points, and good etiquette review.

Posted on: 2007/8/1 8:33
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Re: Dhatu Vada Kata (subtitled, the myth of the correct kata)
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TenChiJin Guy wrote:

As a quick aside though, you have major disdain for me quoting you and then responding to that quote. Pay attention: This is how web-boards work :: First, I quote you, then directly under it show why I disagree with what you wrote. If anyone has a question about context, they are more than welcome to scroll down and find your whole post. It is good board etiquette to post in this manner. Sorry if you don't understand that.

-Daniel


Daniel - in all fairness I feel compelled to reply on this one point, and only this one point.

I have been on the internet starting with usenet for a long long time, since the very early 90's actually, as an employee of Sun Microsystems. "Netiquette" is something I've had a lot of experience with.

With that in mind, the present format of breaking posts down and replying to them in separate quotes is not "good etiquette", rather it is a semi-hostile method of winning a debate.

Good etiquette would have been to quote the entire reply, and reply in like kind. Also using phrases such as "I understand what you're saying, however I wish to point out..." would show friendly intention rather than combativeness.

Quoting in sentences and phrases as you have is not overtly rude per say, and is succinct and very specific, but really is not polite nor friendly. It's not "bad etiquette", but shows a clear sense of combativeness. On the internet this format is usually only used when one wishes to "win".

This is my opinion, based on my experience.

Posted on: 2007/8/1 7:35
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Re: Dhatu Vada Kata (subtitled, the myth of the correct kata)
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Erizabesu wrote:

If we go with this proposition, then the efforts of generations of practitioners mean nothing. They were colouring outide the lines of the kata all these years. It means that your teacher can't teach you, because ultimately, you either have the perfect kata or you don't. Kuden means nothing. "It's in the densho. Do it right and you've got perfect kata." That perspective disses your teacher who is supposed by tradition to be the conduit, via kuden, of the movement.



I loved your reply. Read it several times.

I'm just not sure I have anything further to add, except to say that I think there's a wholly natural process at work, like a giant Iceplant growing where it may, some of it dying and breaking off, other parts moving farther away from the mother root.

In all our discussing we tend, I think, to attempt to quantify what is evolving in the Bujinkan purely in accords with nature.

I'm happy to just be coloring at all. I guess it's up to each of us to know how sincerely we follow and learn from Soke Hatsumi.

Posted on: 2007/7/30 2:56
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Re: Dhatu Vada Kata (subtitled, the myth of the correct kata)
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...I don’t believe this is true either. My point simply is that there really can be no theoretically correct kata, and the only correctness or perfection is found in the process of training to find the correct kata, not in the kata itself.


Hi Greg -

My thoughts:

Back when these schools were independent, you spent a large portion of your life perfecting the mind, body, and spirit :: aligning it to the densho from your family. This kind of dedication - and singular focus, created a different kind of student in the art.

Today, we are realistically taking a survey course of the 9 ryu-ha, likely with outside influences as well (other martial studies). This produces students of the Bujinkan with very shallow understanding of several schools.

I would be very careful to assume that a survey course student could get the depth of a school's gokui without the singular focus needed to really embody the Ryu-ha spirit correctly. As such, there is(was?) probably a purer form than what you see being practiced - and that the purer form is lost without the full indoctrination. I would posit that this won't be found in any major differences - only the very subtle details that a master (or the Soke) would catch. It is, however, these subtle details that differentiate a practitioner from the master.

Just my .02. You can't pull principles from what you don't *really* understand...

-Daniel


I'm revisiting this in my mind now, since I replied mentally but didn't actually post to Kutaki. Bummer, 'cause now I'm just feeling like "that again?".

Anyway - yeah, what you said.

9 schools. In many ways its just too much, even considering we don't really study all 9 (what did you say to me Daniel, 3.5?).

The problem is with the exact thing you mentioned - gokui. And where does the feeling come from, beyond Hatsumi Soke and Takamatsu? Did past Sokes of Gyokko Ryu have any identifiable feeling that was passed on? We can *sense* a difference of feeling from Kukishin Ryu and Gyokko Ryu NOW, but outside of the "person" of the schools (for now, Hatsumi Soke) where is that feeling?

When all is said and done, we're really studying "Hatsumi Ryu Gokui" *from a certain point of view*. I recall Soke recently saying something to the effect of "if you study any Ryuha's kata with the feeling of Kukishinden Ryu then you're doing Kukishinden Ryu".

In 2006 I got the biggest and best dose of any school thus far - Gyokko Ryu. I personally would have been totally fulfilled to study Gyokko Ryu for the next 5 or 6 years, just going over the scrolls again and again in the hope of truly beginning to understand the nuances, as has been mentioned, and in the hope of finally achieving some mastery of at least one damn school.

For now, following Hatsumi Soke as best I can takes precedence over everything. There's time to review later, if I'm still able that is...

Posted on: 2007/7/28 9:44
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Re: The "kata collector" label
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pyro wrote:
Ok…..

I’ve been away for awhile and I’m totally amazed at the level of reaction to my post and the attacks on Arnaud!

First off, the mistake was mine I should not have quoted some one else.

And for that I put my hands up.

Maybe I don’t have the knowledge/experience to fully understand what was said!

However, one thing I am sure of is the attacks should be aimed at me and NOT Arnaud.

It is my mistake and my MISTAKE alone.


Regards,

Philip Stanley


Dude, it's SO obvious that Arnaud put you up to this reply!

Posted on: 2007/7/26 10:16
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