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I read the Wired article. It was interesting, but I would warn against keeping your head down at all times, and avoiding eye contact. That makes you look like a good victim.

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Now that everybody seems to have video recording devices and instant uploading to YouTube, officers (and anybody else for that matter) are suddenly now on display for the court of public opinion.

This is why our art does have many things to offer because of the wide variety of options, but what's important here is the kyojutsu. Now instead of hiding our technique from the attacker(s), we are now challenged with hiding our technique from YouTube. Or, using our options to paint a situation that keeps us safe from the attacker(s) and the jury. Kyojutsu at it's finest...

I've been suspended over videos of me taking a burglar into custody after he already punched out another officer. THAT part was never videotaped...

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I think Shawn was on target about letting go ego and simply "not being there" as KEY elements of self defense. Think of this in light of the admonition I heard many years ago " if the ninja needs to fight, he has already failed his mission" - or words to that effect.

We have to think very carefully about violence. There is "social" violence and there is "predatory" violence, and it takes a lot of character strength and introspection and humility to recognize the difference between the two when it happens to us.

I cannot recommend reading people like Rory Miller, http://www.chirontraining.com/Site/Home.html Lawrence Kane, http://www.amazon.ca/Little-Black-Boo ... Fighting/dp/1594391297and Marc McYoung http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/ enough for those that want to explore the realm of self defense using the martial arts.

But, what IS martial arts? I still ask myself this all the time.... Is it self defense? Is it dance? Is it LARPing? Is it recreation? Is it a psychotic delusion about pseudoviolence? Is it actually "martial"? Is it really and art?

I cannot really justify spending 100's (I'm not up to 1000's yet) of hours training rokushakubo against katana or tachi as applicable self defense COMPARED TO similar time spent, boxing, at the fitness club or doing Krav Maga. Granted, it gives me useful elements but is a really inefficient mechanism towards self defense compared to many others.

Going back to my library recommendations though, I think good Bujinkan instruction does give you a LOT of the tools that are lacking in many MA towards dealing with real violence. The problem lies in what we have allowed ourselves to be deceived into believing is the naure of real violence.


You mileage WILL vary.

I liked your post a lot. I have also run into "crazy" violence where the aggression is drug-induced or they are mentally disturbed. Or they are desperate.

It's an interesting twist on things, because they are almost superhuman when it comes to strength and pain tolerance.

Posted on: 2010/7/30 17:42
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Even if you had skilz, you had constraints on permissible action that a mid-frame woman dealing with a Size Large male aggressor generally wouldn't have to worry about. That does change things.

Even though we are still relatively "old-school" here, it does negatively impact our ability to utilize violence in efficient ways.

The more efficient we are, the more we get investigated by Internal Affairs.

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Actually, I'm sure I'm not on the same level as y'all. That is an obvious statement. :)

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I mean, I wasn't playing with this guy. He really didn't want to go to jail, and he was a lot bigger than me and my partner.

I guess I'm not on the same level as y'all, because you would have waza'd him all over the place right?

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Part of your error was in fighting 2 or 3 minutes. If it is serious you don't play with your food, you take him out right away! Your first movement should both avoid his attack while ending his ability to attack.

Under normal circumstances, I would never stand and fight for any extended period of time. (Or go to the ground.) I'm usually out and about with my kids, and my goal is to escape with them above anything else.

That night I was at work, and it was my job to arrest him. I couldn't just let him go. The initial fight was probably about half that long, the other half of the time was trying to take him to the ground.

I'm only estimating. It felt like 10 minutes, but it was really only 2 or 3 like I said. I guess I "won" the first part of the altercation, because he wanted to escape.

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I've always been interested in watching how people walk.

You can tell a lot about someone's life by paying attention to their stride.

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Here are a few more thoughts I wanted to add ….

I deliberately left the definition of ‘self defence’ pretty open.

From what I have read the most common place that a person would need to defend themselves is the same place they are most likely to be murdered, raped and/or assaulted – domestically. The next one, particularly for young males, seems to be an ‘ego fight’ which would be a physical conflict which only requires one of the parties to back down to avoid. I would also add environmental danger (places and/or professions where the risk of assault is great). As correctly suggested by some here I think most of these are avoided by life choices. You don’t need to study a martial art to avoid most of these.

The above would suggest to me that for many self defence is far from the minds of many who train. Training is enjoyed for other reasons.

That being said, to clarify my question, I am thinking of the usefulness of our training in defending ourselves against an unavoidable physical assault by any means possible.

I would say that our genetic capacity is fixed, our physical capacity is a percentage of this (lets say 50%) and our capacity to defend ourselves is a percentage of that again. This capacity is what can be affected by training with the effectiveness of that training determining what % of this capacity we can get to. I think we can provide a path for the broadest group of people in achieving this.

That being said ineffective training has no effect and could even send this capacity the other way.


I guess in the broadest terms, self-defense applies to any actions one takes to ensure their own safety. Personal safety really is a broad topic that can apply to everything from fortifying your home to getting an unlisted telephone number.

The thing about Bujinkan concepts is that they can be readily applied to these very mundane non-taijutsu scenarios.

Controlling the space between your car and the car ahead of you is the kukan thing. Driving home after work using unpredictable routes and varying times is the kyojitsu thing.

It's a neat thing to me, but I'm only a sandan so I still think everything is neat.

Posted on: 2010/7/29 16:40
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By "fight" there you mean a real fight, intent to harm, threat of serious physical injury?

The 2-3 minutes makes me think you had to fight the other because of duty (security detail or similar obligation), or was there another pressing thing to keep you "coming back to it" for all those minutes (somehow I think in that time there must have been phases for escaping such an overwhelming opponent)?

Sorry for the guessing.

It was a suspect wanted in a string of armed robberies. I caught him one night right after he robbed a gay nightclub. I got his car stopped, and fed him a line of BS about his tags being expired or something to get him out of the car. I got a quick frisk on him, and he started to fight.

Eventually I got a good grip on an arm and got a cuff on him, and he switched modes and just wanted to escape. I got slung around for a bit while I tried some takedowns, and was finally able to dig in and push him a few yards up against a fence. The whole time this was going on I had a little petite female officer with me who was hitting him with her baton, but it wasn't doing anything.

The worst part was when another officer arrived he said, "DUDE, just put him on the GROUND!" He then just picked the guy up and flipped him.

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