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Re: O-Yoroi Armour
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In a historical context, what you are asking about was actually quite common. Most battles were all out melees that could last hours and hours or even days. In that time it would be quite common for swords to get lost, broken, etc etc. Plus warriors would get tired and it would turn into a grappling and hand to hand because they had grown too tired to even hold onto a weapon.

Plus sometimes a sword was not always the best option at the time. There are schools that would specialize in grappling with swords and daggers because once you close the distance a sword may not do you much good. Take a look at Araki Ryu, Yagyu Shingan Ryu, and Takenouchi Ryu. All of those schools have a heavy concentration on close quartered combat in armoured grappling with and without weapons.

I was reading an entry somewhere about a list of injuries suffered in battle and one was a gash to the face caused by someone biting them. Brutal.

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Re: Ukemi wearing Yoroi
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I don't know if this part has been addressed but when rolling with a big kabuto on you have to take a precaution to not break your own neck. In some schools this particular detail is part of kuden so I am not going to go into detail. I only bring it up because a Bujinkan student in Miami broke his neck when trying this at home.

Posted on: 2006/6/22 11:58
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Re: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu and the Bujinkan
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Its funny that some discuss "shinkage ryu" and yagu "shinkage ryu"- shinkage ryu actually comes from kashima shin ryu kamiziumi was a studnet of that ryu, not kage ryu- the only relation is in the name, kage ryu is a Nodaichi style that employs an Okatana usually drawn from the back( my sources say I'm not for sure) kami izumi defeated the "house of yagu" rather his deshi did and became the sword master to the sword master of the "God king" to note that in the linage of "SHINKAGE RYU KENJUTUSU" there is an gyokushin shinkage ryu- ask Soke, you might be surprised with what you find !! The Yagau were famous, but just the begining there is a long line of kenjutsu schools intertwined with the bujinkan from this line, do your homework !!


You are half right and half wrong. Kamiizumi was a student of Aisu Ikosai of Kage Ryu and a student of Kunii Kagetsugu of Kashima Shinto Ryu among others.

Posted on: 2006/1/16 10:38
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Re: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu and the Bujinkan
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Hello and mery christmas
As i know Yagyu shinkage ryu is founded in Iga province and they have been something like KAGE Ninja Ryu or Ninja style in shadow. There is many stories about their founder Yagyu Jubei and his relation to some ninja activites during his life under guidance of shogun. More about this style you can find on http://www.furyu.com/index.html
Thats all from me now


Yagyu Shinkage Ryu is a branch of Shinkage Ryu which is a branch of Kage Ryu. I have no idea where the "Ninja Kage Ryu" idea comes from. Do you have a source you can cite for that? Also Yagyu Shinkage Ryu was not founded in Iga, but part of the Yagyu domain did extend into Iga lands if I remember correctly.

As for the question if there is any connection between Yagyu Shinkage Ryu and the Bujinkan, I do know of one possible connection. Takagi Umanosuke of Takagi Yoshin Ryu was on shugyo and he studied under several other headmasters and incorporated those into what he already knew. One of those schools he studied had a strong link to Kage Ryu which is linked to Yagyu Shinkage Ryu. It is interesting to note that most of the schools that have some kind of link to Kage Ryu are known for very strong muto dori and for being very sophisticated. There is mention in an old densho from Kage Ryu about fighting like a leaf that that is floating down from a tree.

I will go through my old notes and see if I can dig up more.

Posted on: 2005/12/26 18:01
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Re: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu and the Bujinkan
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Anyway Hatsumi Sokè do not have the mastership in this ryu-ha.


How do you know this? Honestly.

-ben


Hi Ben!

There would be a really easy way to find out. Yagyu Nobuharu is the current soke of the largest line of Yagyu Shinkage Ryu. I am friends with his most senior non Japanese student and I can ask him to ask the Soke. Should not take long to get an answer. They are also closely allied with the other lines and it should not be hard to dig up an answer. I will get back to you on it.

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Re: Nine ryu, nine different personalities?
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These Koryu historials are very intelligent and do know what they are talking about but there is one thing they avoid when they start there attacks on the Bujinkan.

I tend to think they are just jealous, why are they so upset?, Japanese budoka couldnt really care what the other dojo and ryu are doing as long as it personally doesnt effect them.


Pot meet kettle. What would they be upset and jealous about? It seems to me that it is usually the Bujinkan folks that are upset and jealous that they are not included in the "koryu" groupings. How many threads have been started on that little subject? As far as attacks I have never heard anyone in the koryu circles attack the Bujinkan for what it is or does, just that there are questions about the legitimacy of the lineages. Which is you are going to claim something then any and all scrutiny is understandable. I do know that Meik Skoss, Dave Lowry, Ellis Amdur, and Wayne Muromoto have all been on the recieving end of a lot of attack and hate mail from Bujinkan members. Which does little to impress them.

Posted on: 2005/12/20 18:52
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Re: Randori
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Also, I was reffering to the complete katori Shinto ryu system: the Yari work, the Jujutsu, the tantojutsu, etc., not just the swordwork. I agree that many of these kata are redundant.

Best regards,

Vern



Let me be frank, you do not know what you are talking about. When I said there are a little over 100 kata, I meant the entire system. There are 19 kenjutsu kata. Got it? This is a Bujinkan site so I am not going into detail.

There are several men on here that I have a lot of respect for giving you advice. If I were you I would take it.

Posted on: 2005/12/13 11:08
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Re: Randori
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Perhaps Kano’s point was that something like eighty-percent of the take-away value of the martial arts, is found beyond, or outside of the kata.

Many martial arts organizations have from 3,000-5,000 kata offered in their curriculums. Daito Ryu Aikijutsu, Bujinkan, Katori Shinto Ryu, and many others are among these. It easily takes from ten to twenty years for a martial artist, who trains regularly with a capable authority, to become passably familiar with this number of kata. During this time, life goes on; the martial artist does many other things in addition to practicing his kata.



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Where did you get that number for Katori Shinto Ryu? Katori Shinto Ryu has a little over 100 kata in it's curriculum. With the exception of Daito Ryu, the two schools regarded by experts and researchers as having the largest number of martial techniques have around 500-700 kata. By most accounts that is considered huge. In the case of Daito Ryu, a high level instructor wrote me that many of the kata are almost identical and could be counted as henka and the the total number is a bit misleading. In his opinion the number could be paired down to 1/10th and nothing would be missing from the school.

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Re: Very Real.
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I don't know much about the swords that Hatsumi-sensei has designed and who he chose to craft them or if anyone is reproducing "knock offs." I find it odd that also on ebay the same seller is selling a "Rare Ninjustu Densho" with the format and language of the Ninja to auction almost identical. See for yourself:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 3992&item=7167609182&rd=1

Perhaps if you could offer a certificate of authenticity.

~Tatsu


Tatsu,

What objection do you have to the listing? This book is a reproduction of authentic ninjutsu densho. I know because I have the book and I vaguely have communication with the man that compiled it ten years ago, Nakashima Atsumi. It is the same book offered by Buyubooks and Jason Jennings when they have it available which is not often because it is indeed "RARE".

From Buyubooks site:
http://www.buyubooks.com/product_details.cfm?id=10100

"Ninjutsu Densho Shoninki

Author: Nakashima Atsumi
Year: 1996
Pages: 408 pages
Photos: None
Note: This item has been marked "hard-to-find". We sell this product on a very limited basis due to its extreme rarity and availability. When we acquire stock for this item we will make it available for purchase"

and

"The only ninjutsu densho currently in print until recently. Not only is the original text of the Shoninki reproduced, but each section is accompanied by the modern Japanese translation and extensive notes on key words and passages. The Shoninki was written in 1681 by a practitioner of Kishu Ryu Ninjutsu, Fujibayashi Masatake."

So is there a problem?




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Re: Kusari-Bo Whatchamacalit
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Alex, Where did you here that. Would you please elaborate.



That is one of the most common names for it. Isezaki Kiraku Ryu uses this weapon and they refer to it as a shinobi-zue, shikomi-zue, and chigiriki. If you were handed a Isezaki Kiraku Ryu chigiriki with it's hidden chain and a shinobi-zue from Hatsumi Sensei's dojo I doubt you could tell the difference.
When Araki Ryu and Kiraku Ryu people train with this weapon they use actual chains just as they use chains with their kusarigama. They feel using rope or other material changes the dynamics of the weapon. The one difference is that if they were preparing to use the weapon in combat they would file and shapen the links of the chain so that when it is semi-wrapped around someone's neck it would rip the flesh and do all sorts of nasty things to the throat.


Posted on: 2005/6/22 5:29
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