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Re: Can Budo gain any advantages from "sport"?
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My question is that doing Budo, can we learn nothing from the sport practicioners' experience?


I would say yes we can learn from sports in the same way that is for many other things too. I think the best discussion of this was written by Miyamoto Musashi in the Gorin no Sho.

I’ve heard something like be careful of people who only have one book (in terms of religious and political fanaticism). In the same way I think it would be extremely dangerous to only have one store of knowledge (in this case budo). A broad and questing mind, a variety of interests and a diverse range of knowledge is important.

I often look at Hatsumi-sensei’s new books and I think a lot of people are confused by them because they introduce so many ideas from history, language, literature, etc. Most people write a book to answer questions but I feel once you read one of Hatsumi sensei’s books you have to then read at least twenty to a hundred other books, so for the most part they are a pointer to hours of your own research. In the same way I view his lessons more as an advanced lecture than a lesson in budo because they don’t provide many answers. Once you do one of his classes you need at least twenty to a hundred hours of training and research to understand.

Didn’t Musashi say something like “from one thing you can understand ten thousand things”? In the reverse I also believe from ten thousand things you can also understand one thing.


Posted on: 2008/6/12 15:30
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Re: Gyokko Ryu....
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There are quite a few videos of this dance on youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auatZN1P1l4&feature=related


The dance on the video is the famous one done on New Years day. The one I am talking about which goes through similar kamae was on either day two or day three.

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Posted on: 2008/6/10 16:22
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Re: Gyokko Ryu....
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Something that may be of interest.

Several years ago I visited Itsukushima Shrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itsukushima_Shrine on New Years. There is a famous dance performed there over three days then. The one on New Years day is the most famous but I visited the one on the second or third day. Four men entered the stage and did a very slow dance to the strained sounds of court instruments from old Japan.

What was interesting was a large part of the dance was stepping to Hira Ichimonji no Kamae. Then to Ichimonji no kamae. Then to Hicho no kamae. Then I think from memory they stamped their foot and performed it in another direction until all directions had been covered. There was also a cross step kamae seen in another schools version of Koto Ryu.

One I returned to Tokyo for the start of training I asked Hatsumi sensei about this because I wondered if there was a connection between this shrine and the Gyokko / Koto Ryu. Maybe he didn’t know about this dance?

He answered me without even a pause. He said because both this dance, music and our budo all came from China at the same time. And that was all.

Posted on: 2008/6/10 10:36
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Re: Ring age
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Because you bring it up - honest question - what do you feel the benefit is of training in the BJK arts (from your perspective, if you agree that sparring is useful for judo/jiu-jutsu).


I don’t want to answer the question beyond saying that I do personally gain great personal benefit from my study of the Bujinkan arts.

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Do you view the BJK as a living, useful art or is it more of an art that is to be studied as a medium to understand something else?


A living, useful art. It can be used as a medium for understanding many things too.

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Do you think the BJK arts NEED to have a counter study in randori-friendly art to be... effective?


If possible, yes. The exception would of course be those with substantial actual fighting experience and exposure to dangerous and violent situations.

Posted on: 2008/6/9 18:07
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Re: Gyokko Ryu....
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Another interesting kutaki thread.

I can't wait to read everyone's conclusion.


Posted on: 2008/6/9 17:34
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Re: Ring age
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I agree that the term “ring age” as it is used in boxing has little relevance to Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu even if an instructor includes some sort of sparing.

There are of course the risk factors of injury which always have to be measured up no matter what training activity is attempted. This is related.

This doesn’t change my opinion of sparing of various types within the Bujinkan (although it is a vital component of judo and jiu-jutsu which I study outside it) for different reasons. I posted them previously and there were many arguments against them but I didn’t feel that any of these arguments hit the mark because they lacked the knowledge, research or experience behind them in comparison to that of the senior Japanese shihan of the Bujinkan and Hatsumi sensei and their conclusions.

This is better said by such a man, Harada sensei:

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I understand why each ideas exist about it. Be sure that we already have had this problem since Edo era. The conclusion of this problem was already obvious in those days.

There are many stories or information about the conclusion. Researching and discovering about it are all up to one's responsibility. It is your life.

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU

PS Don't ask me. I need time to practice rather than answering to it.


I have met many people with many opinions but usually their “own” opinion is not backed up with ability.

If you wish to make any significant change to how the arts of the Bujinkan are practiced I recommend first mastering them in the way as guided by your senior teachers in Japan and only then implement your own ideas, changes and modifications.

If you are training with a teacher who does otherwise I recommend leaving them for a better teacher or, if there are no good substitutes available, a different martial art.


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Posted on: 2008/6/9 17:05
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Re: Whose Bujinkan is this Anyway?
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I just had a discussion with a senior. I got the following points from my understanding of the conversation.

Many people have written and published things that years later they have regretted. The net can feel more temporary because it is quicker and more convenient than older methods but once things are written on it they often cannot be erased or undone. Therefore more caution is required.
So it is my bad to ask for it’s removal when in reality I should have just been more careful – sorry

Things that are said or written can easily be taken and through discussions become distorted. In ninjutsu this can be used as a weapon for or against yourself.

You don’t need to worry about the criticism of others. Sometimes a famous person was criticized in their early years and this inspired them to persevere and work harder.

Rank is a gift from your senior and it is up to the recipient to give value to it by his own actions.

In kendo a high rank is very difficult to obtain but in kendo many fundamental mistakes are made in this form of swordsmanship. In real combat many of these people may have been killed in a real fight in armor despite the difficulty of obtaining a high rank. It is important to understand and see these things too.

There is a story about a monk who only had 12 great disciples but then he became famous and he although he then had 10,000 disciples, he still only had 12 great disciples. Often in budo there appears many people who are practicing something but do not understand, this doesn’t matter because even if there was only one person who understood the lesson was not wasted.
This makes me rethink my original post even harder

Writing about things related to the internal workings of the Bujinkan on the net should be strictly avoided. This is the same as for company employees who should never discuss the internal workings and problems of their company or civil servants who discuss the internal working and problems of the government. There are many jugodan in the Bujinkan now and if you have a problem you should first consult them about it or with one of the seniors in Japan. But don’t waste anyone’s time with gossip or the criticism of others, just apply fortitude, perseverance and continue training.

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Anyway, I am very ashamed of starting this thread and the repercussions of it. I realize now how careless my actions were and I will endeavor to be much more careful in the future.


Posted on: 2008/5/31 15:02
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Re: Tank takes aim .... Whose Thread is this Anyway?
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Well tank is my nickname but I don't see why it is being associated with a thread that has nothing to ***** do about me???

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Posted on: 2008/5/31 11:17
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Re: Tank takes aim .... Whose Bujinkan is this Anyway?
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I started this thread but it seemed to take a skew in a different direction than I had intended by some other people’s agendas.

I would like to request that the thread be locked, removed and/or my post removed from it.

Sorry. Back to lurk mode ….




I take it since my request was ignored that even though I start a thread I loose all control over it?

If that's the way things are run here thats fine but I would like to request that if the thread is allowed to run that my post are removed from it.

Posted on: 2008/5/31 11:14
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