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Re: thoughts on Bujinkan from 1977
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Does any of it really matter? Not to disrespect anyone, but every individual has their own experience in this or any other art. Some are good, some are not so good. I've been doing this stuff long enought to experience both. However, I still do it. Why? For me, it works. Honestly, I don't care if Hatsumi-sensei rewrote an entire ryu. It was explained to me that, as Soke, he has a right to do that. Right or wrong, where ever it came from, I still find value in what he is teaching. When I can say that I no longer find value in what I learn, I will stop training in this art and look to occupy my time with something else in which I find value.

Posted on: 2011/11/22 2:44
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Re: First class design?
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Damien,

I think the one thing we should have in common with athletes is the discipline to drill and correct, drill and correct, drill and correct. I often see a lot of the former, but it is sporadic and all over the map, and then little of the latter, with the excuse of "henka" used as a shield. Just my observation and opinion though.





I can agree with you on many points here. We've all seen many people raise the henka flag when they are unwilling to perform the amount of work it might take to get their technique right. But it all boils down to what they want to get out of this art. I know many people who only practice as a hobby. The people I know who do this, do not put much effort into their trainng and, therefore, do not get much out of it. But its ok because they are not expecting much.

I train in this art for the possible need of protection for myself and my family. To me, this demands I put a lot of sweat, blood and tears into my training because I expect everything from it should it ever be required.

I guess it all depends of the view of the practitioner. But, just like most things in life, you will only get from this art what you put into it.

Posted on: 2011/10/19 12:33
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Re: First class design?
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Amen to that one. I think that in the sport based soaked media world we can forget what real violence looks like. The martial arts seen on television is not real violence. Real violence does not make good television, it is not fun to watch. Unless you are a sociopath (spelling?), it should downright make you sick. Not taking anything away from the athletes on TV. They train hard and are good at what they do. But we should never forget that there is a big difference in what we see on UFC and what can happen to you on any given street.

Just my opinion

Posted on: 2011/10/18 2:51
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Re: Interesting Article
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Pretty cool. I think its more about the learning than a specific martial art. I like the fact that you can substitute the word kendo in any of those statements with another martial art and it still rings true.

All good thoughts, each worthy of their own thread.

Posted on: 2011/10/14 6:17
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Re: Bujinkan Budo Densho by Carsten Kuhn
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One of these days, Darren, I hope to find us training under the same roof. If your training is half as interesting as the posts you make, I'll have a lot to learn that day.

Not in like a weird sarcastic way either.

Posted on: 2011/10/7 2:29
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Re: Threats and Belligerence - To the Mods
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Mark, I don't feel like I'm missing the point at all.

You are coming off as if this man must have wronged you in the most hanous of ways. I've had people who were supposed to be my best friends in this art spread lies about me and drag my name through the mud and I still do not seem to be able to harbor the rage you feel towards Ed Martin.

You questioned being able to find someone who was actually around during Ed's earlier years in this art. If 22 years is long enough, I was just saying that I was there. As far as Ed questioning your background, I can agree that when someone makes public oppinions about anything on a discussion board, it is nice to know their qualifications. It helps to justify the claims when you don't know the person making them.

As for Papa-san't students, I happen to be one. If you asked anyone who has trained with me, like me or hate me, they will all agree on one thing. I don't ever hand my training partner a compliant Uke. If the technique doesn't work, I don't hit the ground. I would never do it for a beginner or a 15th dan.

Posted on: 2011/10/6 12:30
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Re: Bujinkan Budo Densho by Carsten Kuhn
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I have to respectfully disagree with you Darren. I train with as many instructors as I can. I will never argue the value of learning this or any other art from a qualified teacher. However, it is rather expensive and difficult for me to get to Japan or even to many of the seminars within the United States. There is no real teacher near me other than Ed Martin, who I am fortunate enough to learn from once every month. I get out to see Jack Hoban's seminars when I can.

In the time between, I quench my thirst for more knowledge with books and videos. I find that where I cannot feel the techniques being demonstrated, at the least I can attempt to understand what is being shown and then try it with others with whom I might train.

Sure, they are no substitute for the real thing, but I would certainly not put them in a category of being pointless.

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Re: Threats and Belligerence - To the Mods
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......and by the way, after 22 years, this is the first I've ever heard of any kind of patented death matches.

Posted on: 2011/10/6 2:55
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Re: Threats and Belligerence - To the Mods
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You should know that Ed Martin has been pulling these sort of Mickey Mouse shenanigans for years. He basically does on this forum what he does in a dojo or at hombu: hang out and foist his opinions about everything on us young whipper snappers, despite many of us, you know, spending decades doing this under legitimate instructors. When one of us has the temerity to say something he doesn’t want to hear, then he has a fit and even goes as far as challenging some of us to a confrontation; I certainly am not the first person Ed Martin has challenged.

What he refers to as an open exchange of ideas is in reality a place where you are not permitted to disagree with Papa San(TM) without him requiring you to substantiate your training background....even though Ed has trouble substantiating his, to say the least: go ahead, find one person who has actually witnessed Ed Martin putting in the hardcore mat time back in the day. Good luck.


- Mark Spada


I just wanted to weigh in because I'm one of the few that has seen Ed Martin putting in the hardcore mat time back in the day. I met Ed 22 years ago and have since found his teaching quite valuable. I have and continue to train with the man as often as he permits because I still can't ever seem to defeat him. That, and I just plain like him.

I know that statement will probably bring up plenty of questions about my own skill, but that's ok, I'm not really sure I have any. I just like to train.

As far as Ed's attitude, I discuss things with him all the time. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. But I have found that he has always shown a great deal of respect for me and my opinions even when he didn't agree with me. But, I feel that was only the case because I showed him equal respect. I will never fault the man for aboring disrespectful people as I feel the same way.

Mark, I don't know you and as such I refrain from making any judgement of you. But, if you are looking for someone to back up Papa-san's history or current skill level, I know the man and would be happy to do just that.

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Re: Bujinkan Budo Densho by Carsten Kuhn
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I just bought the Koto Ryu version of these books and I have to say that I rather enjoy having it. I have a notebook that I have put together from the experiences I've had training with others, but my artistic skills are a little lacking. I mainly use this densho book as a reference guide rather than a learning tool. I agree with most that the best way to learn this art is from a teacher, but when it comes to remembering the things you have learned, this book series seems very helpful.

Posted on: 2011/10/4 2:57
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