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Re: ATTACKS IN TAJ JIUTSU
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Giuseppe wrote:
Can fudoken became a jab?



that is pretty stupid. you have been skimming, not comprehending. FUDOKEN IS A JAB. its also a cross, a hook, a hammerfist and an uppercut.

thats because FUDOKEN IS A FIST CONFIGURATION. same with shuto ken (a sword hand aka "judo/karate chop)

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Third point, what do you mean with natural movement? A kick, a jab, I think that is natural for me, it’s not natural for you, for example for me is a natural thing use all kind of kicks, because I trained for long time to use it, my legs are flexibile my feet are like my hand if somebody say me DON’T USE THE KICKS BECAUSE THIS NOT TAJ JIUTSU, I would fell limited, because for me is normal use kicks, like can be natural use in a real street fighting, a slap etc. One day a shihan told me that in Ta ji jiutsu there is not limited, all is good if it is natural for you, but if on the KOTO AND GYOKKO RYU SCROLLS there are not JAB, CROSS, SLAP moreover my taj jiutsu is not correct.


simple: natural movement is, to use an bodybuilding term, a compound movement, not an isolation (bicep curls). more importantly: it is context dependent. if all are wearing armor and you roundhouse kicked them all in the head, that's not natural. same with fighting on an unstable platform(ex. a boat). try doing an ali shuffle onboard a rocking boat before punching your opponent. it's optimizing your body's functionality for the desired effect.

that's why would you jab-cross a samurai who has a katana? what is the context you are training for? what is the context of gyokko ryu? if you don't know that, it's a big problem for your own training.

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Re: TAJ JIUTSU PUNCHES.
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Sources are Japan, books by Soke, seminars and classes all over the US, but that shouldn't matter since I clearly I missed when trying to describe the movement to you. I don't appreciate your response, perhaps you could ask me politely clarify instead of taking (what I perceived) as an arrogant and rude approach?

Responses to your comments/questions:
1) With your non-dominant hand you can push someone away from you as far as your palm to your opposite shoulder, regardless of their size (push against side of jawbone, trachea, or septum).
2) Yes, when you create space it applies to you and the attacker, in this instance, so you can draw a sword/tanto/lightsaber etc. Weapons are always preferred over unarmed combat.
3) What technique are you referring to?


Well, my sources are various other ryuha, most commonly the iai groups, not counting the hontai yoshin ryu (nice guys).

it is very well stated by you that "it derived from samurai combat". i hazarded to tell you that you just crapped on maai. why? because bushi will not get into range of less than 2 1/2feet from chest to chest(normal modern talking distance) UNLESS they removed their swords from their belts. why? because the sword handle is about a feet long and pulling it out takes another feet or so. also, these guys have to bow to fellow bushi and no other commoner would dare approach that close.

how long is an arm again? if you properly maintain that maai (which in your comments probably didn't, cause using an oi tsuki to increase distance would violate that) you oi tsuki, in all probability, will leave you overextended.

yes, i admit, it is good for weapon retention if you draw with the same side limb (modern weaponry, ie handgun/pistol drawing). however, it is highly flawed in the context of japanese feudal times(katana on left hip, sword hand is the right). if you had never stated that such a move is derived from "samurai combat" i would have no problem. the context is wrong, the situational factors are wrong. why? its because you are committing your rear hand(whichever handthat may be) that will result into:

1. compromised iai mechanics which will lead into compromised subsequent kamae.
2. slowed down iai which will result in a late assumption of kamae.

both GIVE openings to the enemy. and youre not just the one with a sword.

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Re: TAJ JIUTSU PUNCHES.
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Pushing with the hand reminded me of pointers I've been given about the initial attacks in the Dakentaijutsu syllabus; you use that to make an opening on the opponent, so the aim is not "one strike, one victory". Also like I remember noted on Naginatajutsu - stripping away the opponent's defences piece by piece.

On the strike with left hand; back in January '99 we were training Yume otoshi, and here Hatsumi Soke was clearly pointing out that the strike came from the left hand, and then we continued to practise Battojutsu after the [stepping through] strike.

Just a few notes picked up along the way, hope they help somehow.


yes, the aim is not "one strike, one victory" but NOT GIVING THE ENEMY A CHANCE TO ASSERT CONTROL OVER YOUR OWN WEAPON. a push using the rear hand WILL posture your body that gives the enemy that very same chance.

re:naginatajutsu stripping the defences piece by piece is a DUELING perspective, NOT a battlefield one. you simply don't have that luxury in a grand melee.

re: yume otoshi, did you ever practice iai tameshi giri left foot forward AND majority of your weight on it? and if both of you have swords and he is in range of yours, then so are you in range of his. that means if you can't cut him down immediately after the push/strike which is the kuzushi, he can recover and the encounter will revert back to a stalemate, with both sides having drawn swords. and when i say cut, i mean cut not slash, something must be severed. and stepping through with the left side just means that you will probably NEED to step through with the right, increasing time and chances for the enemy to recover.

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Re: TAJ JIUTSU PUNCHES.
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The reason those schools punch with the rear hand is because they are derived from samurai combat, where everyone had a sword on their hip which they would hold on to with one hand. The strike would create space for them to then draw the sword and finish the fight. This is the reason behind the sanshin no kata as well.



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Yes, put your shooting hand on your weapon and use your other hand to push or create space. After you strike or push, back up to get more space to draw your weapon. With a firearm you want to gain distance (yeah, no kidding right?) versus closing distance with an edged weapon.

This is called "posting up" or "framing up" and there are probably 100 examples on YouTube. Firearm techniques are another world of debate, theory and training though, I recommend you practice scooping your shirt/jacket out of the way and drawing your weapon without looking at it if you are concerned with real life self defense. Progress to one-handed drawing and then drawing with a friend or partner trying to bearhug you.

And make sure you can hit what you're aiming at so get some range time in as well.



sources please. and I don't care if it came from grandmaster hatsumi himself, coz that is one of the most blatant disregard of maai I have ever encountered.

"samurai combat" is primarily conducted with the bow, then polearms. can you get that close to someone good with polearms(6ft or more) enough to push with the hand?

re: swords, they are primarily worn at the left side. if you're gonna hit with your right hand, are you willing to present your sword's handle as the closest thing towards your enemy? remember that gyokko ryu and kukishin ryu have joint locks that uses the enemy's own sword against him.

if you punch with the left:

1.how far can you push someone with your non-dominant hand?
2.you don't just create space for yourself, but for your attacker as well.
3.at the end of the technique, you are back in left foot forward stance, which doesn't do wonders for weapon retention.

a katana is not something you draw with the same side hand(the left) just like a handgun, the angle is wrong(it is worn edge up), power generation is wrong(cutting with it requires axial rotation). it requires a cross draw(right hand to left hip) and an oi tsuki(switching punch) before the draw will foul up the draw itself.

so now, please quote your sources.

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Re: New documentary featuring Dr. Kacem Zoughari
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1. It's easy to say that he is questioning the validity of the technique due to effectiveness, it's different when you are doing something to really validate it's effectiveness.

2. If Ninjutsu and/or Koryu is supposed to be effective at any setting, including MMA (his words), well the proof is in the pudding: where's the pudding?

3. His account of ninjutsu is majorly focused on assassination. Historical documentation of ninja assassination please. I don't know (and if it did, I didn't catch it) any point in the video that he references ninjutsu as intelligence gathering, which has documentation from various sources.

4. He talks too much in the class setting. His uke's tsuki sucks, instead of addressing that technical deficiency, he focuses on the higher stuff of strategy, tactics and philosophy.


MY final verdict: actions speak louder than words, and his actions don't speak much.

Posted on: 2013/12/9 4:16
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Re: Body Conditioning
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hey budowill, sharing a book like that, is that legal?

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Re: Intensive Rolling
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tim craig please read the first post AGAIN.

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Hi everybody,

now and then I'm faced with a problem for intermediate or advanced training in Ukemi. It's for a level when students can perform basic forms of rolling. I then like to push training a little more and have seen that many students face a huge drain of stamina and endurance, possibly to a point of closing regurgitation. This is not true for intense workouts, which do not involve rolling.


all of the info in your posts in this thread are very BASIC, having been regurgitated around since the days of the ura and omote newsletter. if you don't have info on the topic starter's problem, please stop wasting bandwidth.

and please keep llermo rogers to yourself. the majority of posters here (yourself probably excluded) don't train the the FudoShin [sic] ryu.

Posted on: 2011/12/8 2:39
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Re: thoughts on Bujinkan from 1977
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Hmmm... So, this guy with other MA experience is invited to a few of Soke's classes, watches a demo with Tanemura-san, and attends Paul's class suddenly comes up with all sorts of conclusions about the authenticity of the Bujinkan ryuha and the character of Hatsumi Soke? No mention of actually going to Hatsumi Soke and talking to him about these things? Did he see the menkyo and makimono? What research did he do?

It reads to me like some snob who couldn't handle the kind of training he experienced with Soke, et al. He clearly showed his disdain for Hatsumi Soke and his preference for Tanemura-san. Whatever. That's his choice.

If he approached his research in such an overtly bias way (I believe he was bias even before meeting Hatsumi Soke), it's no wonder his experience was terrible. I wouldn't have given him the time of day either just from the vibes I would likely have gotten from him.


while i can't remark on the ryuha authenticity part, i can remark on the "can't handle training" and "disdain" part. you're right it's his choice if he disdains someone who is unconcerned with others who train with him to the point that he disregards health practices concerning bodily fluids. you cannot say that he can't hack the training unless you know the man personally. but i can infer from his words that he was put off by hatsumi's lack of decency from his point of view.

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Personally I would feel privileged to have Soke shove a jutte up my hooter, or any authentic iemoto for that matter.


if that same jutte was previously shoved up another person's rectum before, would you still feel the same?

Posted on: 2011/11/20 18:57
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Re: "us" and "them"
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competition and cooperation are two sides of the SAME coin.

inseparable.

from cells(cardiac hypertrophy, cancer, etc) to nations there will always be 'US' and 'THEM'

hell, even this thread is a competition: OP states opinion that will subtly influence readers, some reader post (like me) to influence readers to a different POV, others respond back, etc.

one cannot separate 'us' and 'them' as one cannot separate competition and cooperation. it is law. it is nature.

even if you cooperate with someone you still compete with someone or something, yourself included. you cannot compete with just yourself. as long as you're alive, you interact. as long as you interact you compete/cooperate.

the REAL question is HOW you deal with competition. do you shut down your competition totally because you are afraid/insecure of the permanency of your place in the competition? do you mope around badly if you lost the competition? do you face the competition with a "bring it on" attitude? do you do passive-aggressive stuff when you lose? do you smile, grit your teeth and regroup your resources and strengthen yourself to compete for another day? do you become a gracious winner/loser or do you crush the other side when you win(now or the next time around)? do you run away from competition and be in stiff denial when things aren't your way?

things to ponder.

Posted on: 2011/11/16 23:39
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Re: Short image film about our dojo and our art
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this thread reminds me of this: generalizations are false, including this one.
LOL!

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1). Anyone knows that effective tactics and movement can be learned from day one, unless of course the person instructing others in those tactics and movement is incompetent or unqualified to do so for some other reason.


FALSE

i call BS on this statement. ANYONE KNOWS??!! you're kidding, right? my boss and my co-workers don't.

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Shimajiro wrote:

Most people, I'm fairly certain, never encounter anything close to the worst case scenario, ever in their lifetime. Lot's of people, otoh, encounter bullies, pushy and manipulative people and so on.


funny. MOST PEOPLE? where? in somalia it's usually always worst case.
in middle class america, not too much. but why do they (people in middle-class) buy insurance? why don't they vote NO to social security(which is a form of insurance)? who needs insurance: those who usually need it or those who might never need it?

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Some folks lack the 'spine and spirit' to do even those simple things. They'll go blank inside and just stand there and take it, hoping it goes away.

My hat (for what it's worth) is well and truly off to those Bujinkan dojos who solicit and help to empower these sorts of students. They are a benefit to the communities they are a part of and a credit to the Bujinkan as a whole.


er.. which is too little? and which is too much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_duFresne

not defining the line can mean life or death.

Posted on: 2011/9/15 14:44
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