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I ran a search but could not come up with anything specific... Can someone post the Kihon Happo as practiced today? Not necessarily a point by point how to, just the names of the techniques.

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...hmm, maybe he meant how many different ways there are (as there might be a few)? And surely there has been changes in many teacher's ways of teaching the KH over times. Might confuse one

But, naturally, the first place to go is to one's teacher...

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the kihon what don't know that one, must be judan level stuff

it probably varies from shidoshi to shidoshi, but the taijutsu should be constant.
you say potAto and i say potato,

best to do it your teachers way

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Kihon Happo Number One
Kihon Happo Number Two
Kihon Happo Number Three
Kihon Happo Number Four
Kihon Happo Number Five
Kihon Happo Number Six
Kihon Happo Number Seven
...
erm
...
Kihon Happo Number Eight

(Not too sure about that last one though!).

When I started training fnunfneen years ago, we actually did call them Kihon Happo Number One etc.

Seriously though, this really is an appropriate time to say the famous Kutakian motto - "Ask Your Instructor".

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Seriously though, this really is an appropriate time to say the famous Kutakian motto - "Ask Your Instructor".


If he's just asking "What's in the Kihon Happo?", then absolutely.

If he is asking how many different ways of doing the Kihon Happo there are, and which variations of techniques are included in it, then asking his instructor is probably not going to get the answer to his question. While his instructor is undoubtably good, and knows many variations, it's unlikely they know them all, or that in country X people tend to do, say, Oten instead of Omote Gyaku. People tend to know the Kihon Happo they were taught in the Old Days (tm), and any interesting variations they've seen at courses or in Japan. That can't cover what everyone's been shown, or what everyone's doing.

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一文字 Ichimonji

飛鳥 Hicho

十文字 Jumonji

表小手型 Omote Kote Gata (watch the video "Ninpo Video Dojo" for an explanation of the difference between Omote Gyaku and Omote Kote Gyaku)

裏小手型 Ura Kote Gata

表逆券捌型 Omote Gyaku Ken Sabaki Gata

腕締足折り型 Ude Jime Ashi Ori Gata

巖石型 Ganseki Gata (I think the kanji for our Ganseki may be a bit different?)

I also have a little densho just titled "Kihon Happo Gata" that lists them:
基本ハ法型 (Kihon Happo Gata)

骨指三法捕手五法合わせて基本八法という。

Together the Koshi Sanpo (Koshi three ways) and Toride Goho (Toride five ways) are called the Kihon Happo.

骨指基本三法 Koshi Kihon Sanpo

右一文字 Migi Ichimonji (The left side is referred to as a "repeat on the left" at the end of each of these)

右飛鳥の構 Migi Hicho no Kamae (I don't know why only this one is referred to as "kamae")

右十文字 Migi Jumonji

捕手基本型 Torite Kihon Gata
(1)
(2)
(3)
(4)
(5)

... These are just numbered.

As for the best reference to study them I recommend the DVD "Kobudo no Kihon" as they are all shown as a basic and with many henka.

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Ichimonji no Waza
Jumonji no Waza
Hicho no Waza
Ura, Omote, Hon Gyaku
Oni kudaki
Musha Dori
Ganseki Nage
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Never could figure the diff. b/w Omote Gyaku and Kote Gaiish. I've heard many explanations but most of them half-hearted (ie. touching the wrist vs not., applying pressure primarily into the forearm vs. setting the grind and twisting/walking with it). Any enlightened ones willing to share?

Hold fast,

J. Ryan Ruch

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HI

Duncan I think gives the best answer here.

the kihon happo gata being mnade up fo two levesl - Kosshi Kihon Sanpo and Torite Kihon Goho.

According to the tenchijin they are titled like this.

Koshi Kihon Sanpo
Migi ichimonji no kamae
Migi Hicho no kamae
Migi jumonji (does not have no kamae on the end)

Torite Kihon Goho
1 - 5

seems the torite are not named, and I was tld by a shihan that in the gyokko ryu densho they are numbered and not named.

If you look at the forms you will see that they are Omote Gyaku, Omote Gykau henka/tsuki, Musha Dori, Ganseki Nage.

I have been told that in the 1970's when the first gaijin learned kihon happo that Ganseki was not part of it and oni kudaki was. things changed (as always in the bujinkan) and oni kudaki was removed and replaced with Ganseki.

I believe some dojo still have Oni Kudaki in it

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