Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!
Socialize
 

Recent Topics
Topic Replies Last Post
Wedding gift... can someone help me to translate it? 6 2018/6/30 20:50
Barga18
Aomori-Ken 0 2018/6/19 10:27
hanzo-tou
Certificates 0 2018/5/8 4:34
schistkicker
Home Project: Shadowbox 3 2018/4/25 21:44
roufus
Ichiba 0 2018/2/21 1:18
Dpinga

Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users



« 1 ... 4 5 6 (7) 8 »


Re: Buji Rules?
Permanent Village Fixture
Joined:
2005/9/29 16:19
From Austin,TX
Group:
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 392
Offline
Thanks, I'll have to check that out.

Posted on: 2008/12/29 19:22
_________________
......Samuel Zavaletta

Please be careful not to have preconceptions, and to always remember the idea of truth-and-falsehood.
-- Hatsum
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Kutaki Postmaster
Joined:
2005/12/1 16:49
Group:
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 181
Offline
You can find more information here:takagi ryu

Sorry the sites in japanese. Here are some interesting points from the site:

Ishitani Takeo, born 1845, dead 1909. Died in Takamatsu Yoshikichi's house (Toshitsugu's fathers house that is). Beat a sumo wrestler in a contest and became somewhat famous for it. His son, Ishitani Matsutaro, ran away so the Soke title was given to Kakuno Hachiheita instead. Ishitani Matsutaro studied Kukishin ryu under Akiyama Yotaro. There is no information on birt or death dates.

So it seems Takamatsu Toshitsugu studied under both father and son...

Regards / Skuggvarg

Posted on: 2008/12/29 22:59
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Permanent Village Fixture
Joined:
2005/9/29 16:19
From Austin,TX
Group:
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 392
Offline
Thanks for the site.

"So it seems Takamatsu Toshitsugu studied under both father and son..."

Mr. Richardson's book seems to support that.

However, it states:
"Ishitani Takeoi taught both Hon Tai Takagi Yoshin Ryu and Hon Tai Kukishin Ryu. He passed these two schools onto his son, Matsutaro, who also became Soke of the Shinden Tatara Ryu, which he had learned from Akiyama Yotaro........His father sent him the menkyo kaiden to the Takagi Yoshin Ryu and Kukishinden Ryu anyway via Akiyama."

That's an odd inconsistency. What's up with that? Did he give his son both Kukishinden Ryu and Hon Tai Kukishin Ryu? That seems to contradict what Mr. Richardson writes in the Kukishinden Ryu section of his book.

Posted on: 2008/12/30 18:32
_________________
......Samuel Zavaletta

Please be careful not to have preconceptions, and to always remember the idea of truth-and-falsehood.
-- Hatsum
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Kutaki Postmaster
Joined:
2005/12/1 16:49
Group:
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 181
Offline
No idea,

I thought the Kukishinden Ryu Dakentaijutsu came from some other source than Ishitani Takeo, but I have no clue to be honest. I believe Ishitani Matsutaro was the one who studied several versions of Kukishin ryu under different teachers (Akiyama Yotaro, Iba Toyotaro and Okuni Shigeji), putting all of it together (and perhaps Takamatsu Toshitsugu continued this too). It is very interesting that he fades out of history with no written information about him, not even his death date. Well, I found one account that he gave Takamatsu Toshitsugu Menkyo in 1913, so he must have been alive then? Perhaps he went to Manchuria too ? Just speculations from my side.

Regards / Skuggvarg

Posted on: 2008/12/30 20:47
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
村長 :: Sonchou
Joined:
2003/1/24 17:34
From Chiba, Japan
Group:
村長 :: Admin
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 1546
Offline
This thread still somehow relates to whether or not a Jinenkan member can train in the Bujinkan, right?

Season's greetings,

Shawn

Posted on: 2008/12/31 15:31
_________________

Gurei Dojo | Blog
Facebook
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Cant Stay Offline
Joined:
2003/8/1 23:57
From Hamina, Finland
Group:
村民 :: Villager
議長 :: Mod
師導士会 :: Shidoshikai
Posts: 1682
Offline
I've been wondering the same, but managed to see the logic of this tangent after some pondering

Posted on: 2008/12/31 16:26
_________________
Ari Julku
Shidōshi
Bujinkan Ōari Dōjō
(Bujinkan Budōka since 1985)
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
村長 :: Sonchou
Joined:
2003/1/27 20:40
From Brussels
Group:
村民 :: Villager
議長 :: Mod
村長 :: Admin
Posts: 267
Offline
logic or not, please start new threads to discuss new topics.

I fail to see how because takamatsu trained one on one with several teachers at the same time (most likely the teachers knew and agreed upon it), this is somehow a proove that you can train in the jinenkan.


A good health to everybody for 2009 (and all coming years after that ),

Jan

Posted on: 2009/1/1 0:25
_________________
Jan Ramboer
Bujinkan Dojo Brussels

‘It is only when the eyes and the brain get exhausted that there are no lies and you can get the truth’ Thomas Hirschhorn
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Kutaki Postmaster
Joined:
2005/12/1 16:49
Group:
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 181
Offline
Quote:
This thread still somehow relates to whether or not a Jinenkan member can train in the Bujinkan, right?


Nope, not anymore. It was too boring to discuss. This is more interesting

All jokes aside. Of course you cannot train with Manaka san while being an active member of the Bujinkan in my opinion. This is not the same as watching DVD´s, VHS or reading books by him in my opinion though.

Seasonal greetings ! / Skuggvarg

Posted on: 2009/1/1 3:28
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Permanent Village Fixture
Joined:
2005/9/29 16:19
From Austin,TX
Group:
村民 :: Villager
Posts: 392
Offline
http://www.bujinkan.com/guidelines.htm


I'm still not seeing it there.....


Quote:

skuggvarg wrote:
All jokes aside. Of course you cannot train with Manaka san while being an active member of the Bujinkan in my opinion.


Why?


Quote:

Oari wrote:
I've been wondering the same, but managed to see the logic of this tangent after some pondering






Quote:

JanRa wrote:
I fail to see how because takamatsu trained one on one with several teachers at the same time (most likely the teachers knew and agreed upon it), this is somehow a proove that you can train in the jinenkan.



I fail to see how people can construe something as a rule meant to be applied universally when it isn't universally available from the source (i.e. Hatsumi Sensei's official publications).




p.s. Hey Shawn, when are you coming back to Austin? I enjoyed your seminar.

Posted on: 2009/1/1 12:02
_________________
......Samuel Zavaletta

Please be careful not to have preconceptions, and to always remember the idea of truth-and-falsehood.
-- Hatsum
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer


Re: Buji Rules?
Cant Stay Offline
Joined:
2003/8/1 23:57
From Hamina, Finland
Group:
村民 :: Villager
議長 :: Mod
師導士会 :: Shidoshikai
Posts: 1682
Offline
Quote:

noname wrote:
I fail to see how people can construe something as a rule meant to be applied universally when it isn't universally available from the source (i.e. Hatsumi Sensei's official publications).

So... if someone told you to follow some advice, but that was not written out for you to reference later, you wouldn't follow that advice????

Many thinks (methinks) in Budô are not written, but are between persons.

Posted on: 2009/1/1 16:51
_________________
Ari Julku
Shidōshi
Bujinkan Ōari Dōjō
(Bujinkan Budōka since 1985)
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer



« 1 ... 4 5 6 (7) 8 »




[Advanced Search]


Today's Sponsor