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Re: Soke's Diet
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There is some info on the topic here.

http://notmilk.com/kradjian.html

I personally find the arguments very convincing and have personally experienced improvements in MY health from reducing my dairy intake.

I think THAT's the ultimate test. Give yourself 2-4 weeks without (or 75% reduced) and decide for yourself.

Junjie

Posted on: 2008/4/28 19:37
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I remember reading that intolerance to milk was based on ones heredity, if you came from an area of the world where milk was a primary source of food then natural selection occurred making you less likely to be intolerant to milk. If you came from where milk was not a primary source the you probably would have some degree of milk intolerance. It really doesn't matter, the most important thing you can do is to know your own body and how you react to different foods. This takes some effort on your part and a degree of experimentation while paying close attention to what you are experiencing. There are just too many "experts" out there who AREN'T and your body is the most "expert" at telling you what works for you. Listen to it. Are you more energetic? Do you sleep better? Are you more alert? Are you less of any of these? You must ask yourself the questions and listen to the answers.

Posted on: 2008/4/28 22:04
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I went and looked at the notmilk.com site and all my reasons for not drinking it are there. The growth hormones for baby cows is one, and the other that the acid content of the milk reduces bone mass to the point that it makes any calcium intake negligible. I had a girl I worked with for a couple of years call it "cow puss" which created a visual image that helps me not to drink it lol.
I find I'm healthier now since my diet is more natural. But the thing I have realized as papasan is always saying, "choices" and this one was mine to make. Yes, I occasionally eat world food, like last night on a date, but that may be once a week. I went through each component of the diet and researched its nutritional benefits and it is sound, IMO. The thing about farting is true but only if you don't do as soke says and eat too much, AND, don't give it long enough for your body to get used to it.
The thing is, with mad cow disease, and bird flu about to go pandemic, (www.birdflu.com) do you really want to be eating meat and chicken? Choices.

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I can see all the points here, but let me play devils advocate. I have been studying this diet for quite some time (years) and over the past six months or so, I have lost 30 unwanted pounds and still have at least 40 to go.


If I could borrow your pitchfork for a moment, and reverse roles... If you were obese you are going to lose weight by making any positive changes. Hell even the mental change of thinking you are doing something is enough for an obese person to start losing weight.

The bigger challenge is not putting it back on, and the second challenge is blasting past your first plateau with weight loss.

I would also like to say that all that is needed to lose weight is to operate at a caloric deficit of about 500 a day. That would let the average person lose one pound of bodyfat in a week. You don't need to bake stuff on a rock to get thin, just look at Jared he was eating "low fat" subs with about 2000mg of sodium in them...

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This diet is a life change in eating habits. Some of the things I have noticed is increased alertness, feel nourished from what I do eat, takes longer to eat so i dont get as full, (the time it takes to eat seems to be equal to the time it takes for the stomache to send messages to the brain it's satisfied.), my fingernails are clearing up of ridges, (getting better calcium, milk does not do a body good.), no more indigestion, sleep better, wake up earlier having had better sleep with fewer hours, do not get as tired through the day, saves money, saves on the electrical bill, and this is just the beginning.


Sure, but what were you eating before? If you were hitting the value menu every day then pretty much anything you switch to is going to make you feel better.

On the milk thing, I've known people who just can't handle milk, but I drink probably 2-3 gallons a week of the stuff a week, eat meat daily and manage to workout 2-2.5 hours six days a week. I think if I tried to do that on kelp and rice roasted on a rock I would fall over. Some people do well with milk and others don't, but most athletic people I know drink the hell out of it for the protein if nothing else.


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If one takes the time to study the nutrition gained from each component, there is a reason for it being there. For instance, red beans and shitaki mushrooms are thought to have cancer fighting elements, among other things, the sesame seeds carry very good minerals for the body as do the fruits and vegatables. Small fish mentioned in the diet are because they do not absorb the pollutants or poisons of larger fish as they are on the bottom of the food chain. Brown rice is loaded with fiber and calcium and is easy on the digestive system. Kelp, this stuff is awesome, because of some medical problems I have had in the past, I can see that it has very positive results. Tofu and miso are loaded in amino acids. No salt and no sugar for obvious reasons. there is much more to each thing and I have only hit a few highlights.

The way I would describe this diet is a macrobiotic pecetarian diet. These are my results, your mileage may vary.


You can eat blueberries, which actually taste good, they fight cancer as well. Or how about tomatoes?

There are plenty of fish that are not toxic, and if you are concerned about toxicity then get farm raised. If you are eating huge predator fish from a natural body of water every day then you might have some problems, but overall eating bigger fish can be fine as long as you do a small amount of research.

Brown rice has fiber, but I can eat a bowl of raisin bran or a handful of figs and get more. Hell my morning bagel has 12g of protein and 8g of fiber, and I'll take the Pepsi challenge any day my bagel versus your rice on a rock any day of the week, the bonus being that no birds poop on my bagel and I'm not 100% sure about your rock...

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If I could borrow your pitchfork for a moment, and reverse roles... If you were obese you are going to lose weight by making any positive changes. Hell even the mental change of thinking you are doing something is enough for an obese person to start losing weight

(Yes you may borrow my pitch fork.)

The bigger challenge is not putting it back on, and the second challenge is blasting past your first plateau with weight loss.

I would also like to say that all that is needed to lose weight is to operate at a caloric deficit of about 500 a day. That would let the average person lose one pound of bodyfat in a week. You don't need to bake stuff on a rock to get thin, just look at Jared he was eating "low fat" subs with about 2000mg of sodium in them...

(not with or for someone with genetic blood pressure problems)



Sure, but what were you eating before? If you were hitting the value menu every day then pretty much anything you switch to is going to make you feel better.

(yes, and i do feel much better)

On the milk thing, I've known people who just can't handle milk, but I drink probably 2-3 gallons a week of the stuff a week, eat meat daily and manage to workout 2-2.5 hours six days a week. I think if I tried to do that on kelp and rice roasted on a rock I would fall over. Some people do well with milk and others don't, but most athletic people I know drink the hell out of it for the protein if nothing else.

(thats your choice, I choose not to.)


You can eat blueberries, which actually taste good, they fight cancer as well. Or how about tomatoes?

(I eat all of these)

There are plenty of fish that are not toxic, and if you are concerned about toxicity then get farm raised. If you are eating huge predator fish from a natural body of water every day then you might have some problems, but overall eating bigger fish can be fine as long as you do a small amount of research.

(am already aware of this www.noaa.com , and eat what is healthy I can find or go and catch my own, I am an accomplished fisherman)

Brown rice has fiber, but I can eat a bowl of raisin bran or a handful of figs and get more. Hell my morning bagel has 12g of protein and 8g of fiber, and I'll take the Pepsi challenge any day my bagel versus your rice on a rock any day of the week, the bonus being that no birds poop on my bagel and I'm not 100% sure about your rock...

(LOL, its not cooked on a rock and Im not starving. I trained 55.5 hours from a saturday to a saturdayin Texas in 80-98 degree heat and was fine, didnt pass out, or have any ill effects. But the problem with the processed stuff is exactly that, processed. They put in the preservatives etc I would not. Their choice not mine. Im not telling you you need to eat this way. I am saying these are my experiences to add to this conversation. Anyway, Im not saying im right and your wrong, the things you say are correct, but not for me. However, I would sit beside you while you eat your bagel and I eat my fruits or vegatables, and we would have a good conversation and probably training. We have met before at Wades seminar, and if memory serves me correctly, your a Dawg fan. Be good.)

Posted on: 2008/4/28 22:53
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(not with or for someone with genetic blood pressure problems)


True, I should have specified thatI was talking about normal people not those with medical problems.


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(LOL, its not cooked on a rock and Im not starving. I trained 55.5 hours from a saturday to a saturdayin Texas in 80-98 degree heat and was fine, didnt pass out, or have any ill effects. But the problem with the processed stuff is exactly that, processed. They put in the preservatives etc I would not. Their choice not mine. Im not telling you you need to eat this way. I am saying these are my experiences to add to this conversation. Anyway, Im not saying im right and your wrong, the things you say are correct, but not for me. However, I would sit beside you while you eat your bagel and I eat my fruits or vegatables, and we would have a good conversation and probably training. We have met before at Wades seminar, and if memory serves me correctly, your a Dawg fan. Be good.)


I was talking about the diet that the OP brought up, if you are talking about something else then my bad.

Go Dawgs! Which seminar was that, I've been to a few of Wades seminars? I am horrible with names, sorry I don't remember you. Are you still in or around Atlanta?

Posted on: 2008/4/29 5:43
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Hey Lance, YES,....Go DAWGS !!!!, I think they should have a good run this year.

The seminar was several years ago, I think the subject was Roppo Kuji, It was in a gym. Good seminar though; met allot of old friends from B.A.D.

No, I live, work, and occupy the universe in Chattanooga.

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I remember that, that is the one Randy Sessions hosted.

Posted on: 2008/4/30 1:19
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True, I should have specified that I was talking about normal people not those with medical problems.

You can eat blueberries, which actually taste good, they fight cancer as well. Or how about tomatoes?

There are plenty of fish that are not toxic, and if you are concerned about toxicity then get farm raised. If you are eating huge predator fish from a natural body of water every day then you might have some problems, but overall eating bigger fish can be fine as long as you do a small amount of research.


Lance,
You've just managed to piss me off with some choice half-assed assertions about medicine, nutrition, and food toxicology.

By the way, you could not be more wrong about the relative toxicities of wild vs. farm raised fish. The other statements are deeply flawed as well.

Keep your day job and please temper your arguments because you never know who is reading them.

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Lance,
You've just managed to piss me off with some choice half-assed assertions about medicine, nutrition, and food toxicology.


Oh no! Your not going to turn green, grow to a massive size and destroy a small city or anything or you?

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By the way, you could not be more wrong about the relative toxicities of wild vs. farm raised fish. The other statements are deeply flawed as well.


Depends on where the "wild" is. Here on Lake Lanier they advise you not to eat any bass beyond a certain size, and in certain sizes you are not supposed to eat it more than twice a month. The reason stated is that these predator fish build up toxins from the hordes of baitfish they consume (not to mention frogs and rats). Eating them farm raised the only toxins they are exposed to is from the pellets they eat and the filtered water they are living in. Now I know that there were a thing years ago about salmon being fed pellets that were above a certain level in a chemical, but that is all I've personally ever read against farm raised.

Now I'm not saying that I am right or wrong on this issue, but my understand from reading articles, talking to DNR in my area would lead me to believe that I am correct. If I'm wrong then please fill me in.

I should state that my knowledge is limited to freshwater lakes and rivers in my area, which is where I fish.

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Keep your day job and please temper your arguments because you never know who is reading them.


How about you bend over, grab your hair and yank really hard until your head comes out of your nether regions with a resounding pop?

Now I'll fully admit that I am a opinionated prick, and I admit that I have been wrong in the past and I admit that I will be wrong in the future. That being said I do pay a registered dietician to assist with my meal plans, my sister in law is also a dietician who works with dialysis patients, I read articles and white paper about sports nutrition every chance I can get. So it's not like I have not attempted to educate myself on the subject.

Then you stroll in, jump up and down and say your mad. If your an expert or professional in the subject, how about telling me where I am wrong and why? Trolling in and saying that your mad and that I'm wrong doesn't really help me, the OP or anyone else on the planet.

Posted on: 2008/4/30 5:23
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