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in some texts on the internet it says: ...Mariko; a famous Japanese dance teacher and 10th dan director of women's training for the Bujinkan.

but I couldn't find any information on a difference between men and women's training. Is there a difference? I yes where and where can I get some more information about it.

All I found on the interent was an article in spanish about the history of kunoichi in general

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IIRC Mrs. Hatsumi used to be in charge of the training for women. This was way back in... 80's? 70's? Haven't heard there would still be such (doesn't mean there might not be, though).

Also - what does "Kunoichi" there mean? What is Kunoichi training?

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Jeffrey's Japanese-English Dictionary Server lists no kanji for "ku" in "kunoichi" (it does list the term to mean 'female ninja').

I would translate "X-no ichi" as "first of X", or possibly "best of X", depending on the meaning of X :)


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got the term of a book of hatsumi, in which I also found a picture of Mrs. Hatsumi and a short chapter about female ninjas.

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I would translate "X-no ichi" as "first of X", or possibly "best of X", depending on the meaning of X :)


1988, Stockholm, Taikai Q&A session:

女 = Onna = Kunoichi = く (Ku) + ノ (no) + 一 (ichi)
And it was talked about like "one hole more..."

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... Mrs. Hatsumi used to be in charge of the training for women. This was way back in... 80's? 70's? ...


When I first started training in 1991, we (having many ladies in our shibu) were told by our Shidoshi that such was the case at that time.

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Also - what does "Kunoichi" there mean? What is Kunoichi training?


"Ku" being 9, "Ichi" being 1, referring to the 9 "holes" (orifices, whatever you'd like to refer to them as) which men have along with the additional one reserved specially for women.

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If it's ku = 9, then wouldn't it be: 九の一 (or even 九之一)?

I am just curious why the kanji for '9' isn't used.


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The way I understood it, it is a pun on the word "onna" (meaning woman).

Like reading it from the parts of the Kanji, not reading the "whole" Kanji...

Kinda like reading between the lines? Seeing the parts in the whole (pun unintended)?

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It seems tha tthere has not been a lot of female specific training going on in the Bujinkan as of late.....some, but not much.

The Fall issue of Bujin-Kan will feature the Women of the Bujinkan. Even though female training has not been focused on much, certainly many women take the "normal" training and ask "how does this work for me?" or "how would this apply differently for me?". Here are a few sites you can check out:

Sheila Haddad - http://www.livingtheway.com
Carol Koch - http://www.budosites.com/hmbd

Also Penny Telfer is giving a seminar this weekend at Purdue University in Indiana - http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~budo/seminars.html

I see womens training becoming a big focus in the Bujinkan in the near future, I dont mean just the historical female training, but how it applies today.

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Even though female training has not been focused on much, certainly many women take the "normal" training and ask "how does this work for me?" or "how would this apply differently for me?".


Hmm, should this be happening in every and each Dôjô where there are female trainees?

The forms are just... forms, things to begin from. The next stage is studying the inner workings of the thing, how it applies to this and that. And these "this&that"'s are things like personal boundaries - your size, your reach, your flexibility... your gender???

My 2 cents (Euro)... as I have 50% female trainees at the current

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