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Re: Titles, titles, titles
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I seem to be so stupid that I don't understand the point. Can anybody help me?

Posted on: 2005/4/13 21:56
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I'm with George.

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If I understand correctly, Danny's point is that non-native speakers of Japanese, in Bujinkan, tend to use Japanese titles, such as 'shihan' and 'shidoshi' in ways which are gramatically and culturally inconsistent with traditional Japanese usage.

IMHO: if in doubt about the proper title, it is more polite to refer to a Japanese person within your school as [Last name] Sensei (EX: Nagato Sensei) It is probably best to refer to Soke as Soke.

For referring Japanese teachers outside your school, such as on this chatboard, the *safest* method is probably [last name] San. However, in person, it would be more polite to refer to their [last name] sensei.

For non-Japanese teachers, this seems to be on a case-by-case basis, based upon prior observation of that person and their students.

However, IMHO also ,it looks rather silly, particularly for a non-Japanese, to advertise themselves as 'sensei' 'an-shu' or whatever. Terms like 'dojo-cho' 'instructor' or [my name and rank] seem more appropriate in public and far less self-aggrandizing.

All just my personal opinions, and subject to correction.

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I seem to be so stupid that I don't understand the point. Can anybody help me?

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Thanks. That makes sense.

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Hi Danny,

You speak it just fine - I enjoy your posts very much.

Perhaps you will be writing the sequel to Ben's book.

Paul


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Thank You Paul.
I wish I could speak English better

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You're welcome. Has Soke ever addressed this topic and what form(s) of address do you personally prefer?

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Just a passing opinion....
These is one point that I'm sure of here in America...
The higher the title the less someone has any experience fighting to gain knowledge of 'real time' combat skills.. and the more cash they what from you by using that title.

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Just a passing opinion....
This is one point that I'm sure of here in America...
When someone no longer gets rank and stops being a student, they put fancy Japanese names at the end of thier American names to appear special.

Mark Bush

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Just a passing opinion....
This is one point that I'm sure of here in America...
When someone no longer gets rank and stops being a student, they put fancy Japanese names at the end of thier American names to appear special.

Mark Bush


how nice... but forget rank, its unimportant... well to all but those types...lol
I was thinking though ... maybe there might have been a misinterpretation between "your training is done" and "just stop training, your done"

yes, Danny I agree with you... and things are rather confusing regarding titles... for instance.. shidoshi does that not refer to a licensed teacher? and therefore licensed by soke and 5th dan or above?....

what are "the rules" on teaching these days... its seems the BJK has grown so vast that u can no longer name all the 'masters' ... its tough to trust anything these days... everythign must be taken on a one by one basis.

trust your instincts.. and if it sounds fishy... its fishy

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