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ZNKR iaido v. Bujinkan kenpo
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I was wondering if anyone would like to discuss any simialarities/ dissimialarities of ZNKR iai and Bujinkan kenpo. Any information or comment would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

Posted on: 2005/7/30 9:39
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Re: ZNKR iaido v. Bujinkan kenpo
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Hmm, well, they come from different lineages of tradition, thus they might view things somewhat differently. And, IIRC, ZNKR Iaidô was "tailor made" after a request (the Kendô people realized they were moving away from the reality of swords, too much into the Shinai), possibly made from ideas gathered from several schools (again, IIRC).

Here we might see the difference of "winning sword" and "killing sword", aswell.

Posted on: 2005/7/30 16:16
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Wow,
that is a very interesting and difficult question. You would compare the the Bujinkan with it´s seemingly (at least to me) almost unlimited number of techniques based on a considerably lower number of principles and the very tight curriculum of 12 techniques found in ZNKR Iaidô.

One similarity that comes to mind is something along the line of "it all boils down to correct kamae" and this is surely true for both. More than that, when doing iaidô every movement in the transition from one kamae to another is predefined. The Bujinkan to me is not that strict about those transitions.

One difference, as already mentioned, is the fact that ZNKR Iai was designed. The techniques were taken from a few selected ryûha and then (sometimes drastically) simplified. There used to be 10 kata but a few years ago they added two more.
Another difference is connected to the first one. The way ZNKR Iai is done, its character, is supervised by a board in the ZNKR, not a sôke like in the Bujinkan and many other schools. While this boards organizational structure may not be democratic it still incorporates the opinion of a few diffent people.

Hope to have stirred up some more thoughts,
Karsten

Posted on: 2005/7/30 21:52
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that is a very interesting and difficult question. You would compare the the Bujinkan with it´s seemingly (at least to me) almost unlimited number of techniques based on a considerably lower number of principles and the very tight curriculum of 12 techniques found in ZNKR Iaidô.

One could also consider, that the Iaî-katas, and the Daishô-Katas are the Omote, and then the competition "form" is the Ura, or the "numerous Henka of ZNKR". They have to start somewhere, but how far do they go? In the end, though, it is more a sport - IMHO - than "clean" Budô, hence the.. studying/handling of forms might well be different.

Posted on: 2005/7/31 17:35
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Hi,
I was just about to disagree with you but then I realized that I didn´t really know what you meant. I would like to ask you what your definition of
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"clean" Budô


is and ask you to elaborate a bit on this. Maybe we just use different terms but think the same.


Karsten

Posted on: 2005/8/1 5:32
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HEHEH as opposed to "sports" Budô

Posted on: 2005/8/1 6:51
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I'm sorry but can I ask what Z.N.K.R. stands for?

Posted on: 2005/9/12 23:08
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I guess it means Zen-nippon Kendo Remmei (All Japan Kendo Federation).

http://www.kendo.or.jp/english-page/english-top-page.html


Oh, my 1700th post.

Posted on: 2005/9/12 23:18
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