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i understand this to be Takamatsu Sensei's life and teaching. does any one have this? also i know that kito ryu was/is a jujutsu school. any influance on the bujinkan? or just two totaly different things? anybody....

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Kitô-ryû was discussed at some length in Sanmyaku number 2...

Is this "Kito" or "Kitou", btw?

Running a search on the inet I find only - what seem to be - Kitô-ryû Jûjutsu related issues. Except one entry on a Genbukan site... that doesn't mention what Kito-ryu Ten no maki is in question, though...

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What do you mean by 'life and teaching?'

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ten no maki would be the scroll of heaven. as far as the life and teaching, that is what the side note in my ten chi jin says: kito ryu ten no maki (scroll of heaven) takamatsu sensei's life and teaching. ive seen the name on ebay but it is not there now.

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from my research Kito Ryu (To raise up and strike down) was handed down by the Bonze Takoan Zenshi. The school is based on two secret books called Hontai and Seiko. Hontai is about mastering the body and the mind and also about Shinrikyorei (nothingness). Fudo Shin is also mentioned here.

Kito Ryu has teachings at Okuden Level (Jin Level?) which are similar to those found in Kukishin Ryu Scrolls.

Its possible that Kito ryu emerged from a ryu called Ryu Shinto Ryu. Taki No Seneamon once taught Kuki Takano who was once head of Kuki Family.

But as I say this is all based on my research, so I could be wrong.

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From Sanmyaku:

Kito
Ten Ken
Chi Ken
Jin Ken

From my own experience and research:

Kodokan Judo Koshiki no Kata is taken directly from the last two levels of Kito Ryu Jujutsu.

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There's some background information on Kito Ryu in the book "Classical Fighting Arts of Japan" by Serge Mol (Kodansha, ISBN 4-7700-2619-6) on page 127.

BTW - The Kito Ryu may have emerged from the RYOI Shinto Ryu and not the RYU Shinto Ryu as Garth mentioned earlier. Simply a typing error I'm sure but worth pointing out to avoid potential confusion.

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Kouryuu... needs to get some sleep, maybe???

PS. this should maybe repeated on all those other threads, too...

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i found what i was looking for and will have it soon. thanks.

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Takamatsu Sensei learned Kito Ryu in China from 大橋正明 Ōhashi Masaaki (one of his students that he taught in China who knew Kito Ryu and also taught at the Shinkoku/Nippon Seinen Butokukai ‘Manchurian/Japanese Youth Martial Arts Association’).

The Koshiki no Kata in Kodokan Judo are NOT the original techniques found in Kito Ryu. This is a very common mistake. They are EXERCISES based off of the principles of the techniques from one Kito Ryu scroll. The original techniques are much more realistic.

The Kito Ryu information contain in Sanmyaku comes from an old published book by Yokono Shizuji 横野鎮次. There were two editions of this book published in the Meiji period, one called Kitō Yūshin Hiden Jūjutsu 起倒雄心秘伝柔術 and published in Kobe in 1892 this seems to have been self published as no publisher is listed but the printer is listed as Oshima Yasunobu 大島安信; the other was called Jūjutsu Hiden Zukai 柔術秘伝図解 and published by the Shōbukan 尚武館 in Osaka in 1894.

The techniques described and illustrated in these two books are a sample of the original techniques of Kito Ryu and again are NOTHING like the Kodokan exercises of the Koshiki no Kata.

Kukishin Ryu has a connection to Kito Ryu when Kuki Nagato-no-Kami learned Kito Ryu from Takino Sadataka and created the branch: Kito Ryu Kuki-ha.

Both the Kukishin Ryu and Kito Ryu share a similar scroll. The Hontai no Maki. There are only small differences between the two in each Ryuha's version.

My old Jujutsu teacher Mike Depasquale Sr. learned a branch of Kito Ryu from Kiyose Nakae who had relocated to the United States. The techniques are again more like what you find in Sanmyaku and not in the Kodokan's altered versions.

For anyone interested in viewing the makimono of Kito Ryu there is a nice website here: http://bujutsu.jp/a18.html

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