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Where can one see the Chinese influence in the training of Gyokko ryu?

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In China!?

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Yes, in China ...
Perhaps compare GKR to both Chen Style Tai Chi and Ba Gua Zhang. You may see something suggesting common roots (although both of these arts are not as old as GKR; but I mean just the roots). This is easier shown than written.

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I see some moves very close to Wing Tsun or southern style Kung Fu. For example the ichimonji N.K. is like Southern style, me thinks.

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Great responses. Keep em comin.

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Circular movement?

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I would say it’s hard to tell. Based on Gyokko Ryu kuden Chen influenced Kosshijutsu. The problem is at the time this was supposedly happening there was very little if at all martial arts organization in China, so any comparison made maybe pure speculative unless that's what you are looking for?

There is however reference in the Densho to strategy which greatly aligns with Chinese battle and moral philosophy...

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You may want to take a look at a random Chinese system that has roots to the time of Gyokko ryu's founding, and take a look at a "native" Japanese school from around the same period.

Compare and contrast....then go take a look at gyokko ryu again.
I dont know, just a thought.

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"I would say it’s hard to tell. Based on Gyokko Ryu kuden Chen influenced Kosshijutsu. The problem is at the time this was supposedly happening there was very little if at all martial arts organization in China, so any comparison made maybe pure speculative unless that's what you are looking for?"

When you say "Chen," what are you referring to?

Speculation is all we can do at this point, methinks.

"You may want to take a look at a random Chinese system that has roots to the time of Gyokko ryu's founding, and take a look at a "native" Japanese school from around the same period.

Compare and contrast....then go take a look at gyokko ryu again.
I dont know, just a thought."

Great idea. Any thoughts on Japanese and Chinese systems with roots in the same time period?

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"I would say it’s hard to tell. Based on Gyokko Ryu kuden Chen influenced Kosshijutsu. The problem is at the time this was supposedly happening there was very little if at all martial arts organization in China, so any comparison made maybe pure speculative unless that's what you are looking for?"

When you say "Chen," what are you referring to?

Speculation is all we can do at this point, methinks.

"You may want to take a look at a random Chinese system that has roots to the time of Gyokko ryu's founding, and take a look at a "native" Japanese school from around the same period.

Compare and contrast....then go take a look at gyokko ryu again.
I dont know, just a thought."

Great idea. Any thoughts on Japanese and Chinese systems with roots in the same time period?


The Chen family taichi system of the Chen village. This is considered to be "the" taichi foundation. You can go further back to wudang, but has been mentioned, not much organization at that time.

Xing yi and Ba gua have a lot in common with gyokko ryu.

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