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Re: Gyokko Ryu....
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There are quite a few videos of this dance on youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auatZN1P1l4&feature=related


The dance on the video is the famous one done on New Years day. The one I am talking about which goes through similar kamae was on either day two or day three.

http://picasaweb.google.com/chriswall ... photo#5210132034182973394

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Dear Mats,
I am looking forward to listen to your knowledge about the other schools connections Next time then.

I just found some parts of Gyokko Ryu very close in the movement to W.T. ,not all but some. I wanted to share my ideas which is not a scientific or historical exploration but just the feeling and vision so I am ready to hear some professional thoughts.
Particullarly this style gave me the feeling of S.China more than Kukishin or Shinden Fudo ryu somehow.
I also know that under the name of Kung Fu thousands of different styles exist, even the wrestling so I just gave the name of W.T. as I know it some.

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Sorry if this come sout rude... but if you don't have menkyou kaiden in this school, don't post statements of what the school is and is not!!!

Ouch, Mats! That is a discussion killer

On the WT / Gyokko similarities... looking at the hand positioning in the Ichimonji...

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I know that Michael Pearce doesn't post here often, but he knows a little about Japanese dance. You out there Mike?

Posted on: 2008/6/10 22:51
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"Sorry if this come sout rude... but if you don't have menkyou kaiden in this school, don't post statements of what the school is and is not!!!"


This is like saying that since I don't have a degree in mathematics, I can't talk about algebra. It's sort of restrictive.....

I assume you have menkyou kaiden in Gyokko Ryu Kosshijutsu. Why don't you add your knowledge to the forum?

P.S. If you can't learn through the written word than why does Soke write books?

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Hey I have an idea, why don't we not let this thread die....

"On the WT / Gyokko similarities... looking at the hand positioning in the Ichimonji..."

True....but the ashi sabaki doesn't really look like what I've [bold]seen[/bold] of Wing Tsun ashi sabaki....of course there's this debate over who has the "real" Wing Tsun, so I'm not really sure.....any thoughts?

Posted on: 2008/6/12 7:29
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True....but the ashi sabaki doesn't really look like what I've [bold]seen[/bold] of Wing Tsun ashi sabaki....of course there's this debate over who has the "real" Wing Tsun, so I'm not really sure.....any thoughts?

Well, Gyokko-ryû is not Wing Tsun, so even if they have historical connection there's been time and water between and changes might have naturally occurred.

On the other hand I've seen something like Keri Kaeshi in WT.

But, as you said, the Taijutsu is different.

EDIT link to YouTube added

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What about "push hands?" Many contemporary Chinese martial arts have their own form of push hands. Do similar exercises exist in the training of Gyokko Ryu (or any other Ryu for that matter)? (I once saw a video of either Tanemura or Manaka performing push hands with a student)

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Here's the video. It's Tanemura. It's at about 27 seconds.

Tanemura Video

Posted on: 2008/6/14 4:26
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yes, we push hands... hahaha
Yesterday, my teacher pushed my hand (i was holding a "toy" BTW), and then... anyway the feeling of koppo and koshijutsu still vibrates inside me today...

yeh, we push hands, legs, heads and all other body parts.. and then spiral them or not depending upon the flow...

(FYI: I know what push hand exercise is, i have been studying tai chi for over 10 years now).

hmmm... what I mean to say is this:
In my opinion, even if the similarities exist they are more of the academic nature unless you already either (1) had in depth training in one of the styles and would like build on top of this to understand the other or (2) you do not like one style and wonder if it would be a good idea to switch to the other. But then again, just find a good teacher and train.

either way except for cracking a joke (i hope this was a good one), I do not see how we can keep this thread going...

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"either way except for cracking a joke (i hope this was a good one), I do not see how we can keep this thread going..."

Oh, I don't know....whatever.....


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