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Re: New book by Soke - Unarmed fighting techniques of the Samurai
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I got the same email this morning.


same here. I guess amazon did not get the books yet from their distributor.
For the moment, I see only two solutions: (1) go to Japan, (2) patience. Hmmm... tough choice


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Posted on: 2008/7/3 4:14
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Re: New book by Soke - Unarmed fighting techniques of the Samurai
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**** patience, guys. Just order it at amazon.co.jp and pay a dollar or two more for shipping.

Mod.edit (Ôari): please keep the language clean, thank you!

Posted on: 2008/7/3 11:06
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Re: New book by Soke - Unarmed fighting techniques of the Samurai
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Ha ha, Delayed??? And I got it in a really, really small bookshop on the Narita airport. I wonder why the release dates are so different between Japan, Europe and the U.S?

Anyway, no need for panic, most of the book is filled up with the kata description. If you havent done the kata before and have your own notes it is next to useless. The descriptions are very short and not that detailed.

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I think it has more to do with it being out of stock at any given time. This may be quite a seller

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Re: New book by Soke - Unarmed fighting techniques of the Samurai
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Comparing from the other sources, it seems many incorrect parts in Japanese. Therefore, they are contained in English translation.

We should verify it from actual training with Hatsumi sensei or the other high ranked instructors.


PS Although, it could be happen that the incorrect parts are on purpose

M.Harada

Posted on: 2008/7/5 12:43
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My understanding is that the Kodansha books are printed in Japan then shipped to the USA. The release dates reflect that "delay" due to shipping and distribution.

A very reliable source has informed me that books have arrived in the USA and will be released soon. Amazon may take an extra couple of days to ship them due to the fact that they order large quantities.

In my opinion, this book *is* a densho (of sorts). After reading a couple of sections, I randomly turned to one of the pages in the book and read a kata. The description reminded me of a Koto Ryu form and some of the points that Hatsumi-soke and some shihan have shared with us over the years. So, I think that someone not familiar with the form, having read this same description, would come up with a different thing entirely.

Without doubt, I'll think many people will buy a copy to leave in the dojo for reference purposes. IMHO, this book is another wonderful book in the "Bujinkan Kodasha" series.

BTW I especially enjoyed the wonderful pictures of Hatsumi-soke early years and the Takamatsu Sensei photo section.

Posted on: 2008/7/5 16:28
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Re: New book by Soke - Unarmed fighting techniques of the Samurai
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Excellent tidbits can hardly wait to get my eyes on the text.

Posted on: 2008/7/5 18:50
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Re: New book by Soke - Unarmed fighting techniques of the Samurai
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Tamatora wrote:
Comparing from the other sources, it seems many incorrect parts in Japanese. Therefore, they are contained in English translation.

We should verify it from actual training with Hatsumi sensei or the other high ranked instructors.


PS Although, it could be happen that the incorrect parts are on purpose

M.Harada


Apart form that "on purpose" part...
Is it possible that the editors changed also something in the Japanese text? Doug discussed in his blog that the editors changed some of the English text ...

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"PS Although, it could be happen that the incorrect parts are on purpose"

This is something we must always remember in anything written down! I believe the only really accurate transmission is direct transmission from Soke to student. That accuracy of that transmission will also depend on Soke's evaluation of you as a student and if he can trust you with the information. But that is just my opinion.

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I will clarify it a bit.

"Comparing from the other sources, it seems many incorrect parts in Japanese. Therefore, they are contained in English translation."

Some sentence are back and forth, omitted, erratum etc. I admire all three translators did great job, definitely. It is important to translate direct even if they felt curious sentences. We can understand this from next story.

"PS Although, it could be happen that the incorrect parts are on purpose"

Hatsumi sensei ordered me to write some kata from the densho during U.K. Taikai in 1999. When I was writing it, I found an obvious miss sequence point. Therefore, I asked to sensei whether I had to correct it. The answer was NO. He told me that I have to write down exactly what was written in densho. It is an insurance against steal or to confirm straight heart of students.

At the Taikai, when sensei ordered some students to do the kata, it was interesting to see. There were both correct acting and incorrect acting. The students who did incorrect way listened to translation of my reading. The students who did correct way read their own translated densho which was obtained from the other sources. Sensei smiled toward me, "Do you understand ?".

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