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Re: Christianity and Bujinkan?
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Thank you for the nice points that you have mentioned Mario. Please do not forget that every human being makes mistakes so nobody is %100 wright. Especially today people tend to sell their soul much more easier to money or power.

I got my ticket for DKMS and hope to see you and many Buyus from Kutaki village
I will explain whatever you want, if I know the answers.

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What? You mean I'm not perfect? News to me...

The other thought with that is how much we grow as individuals over time. Each of us probably spent some time at least looking into other philosophies. Fortunately we can learn and grow!

Sadly, sometimes I've regressed and find myself making dumb choices with high frequency. Those times I'm glad to have mentors and friends around.

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Quote:

Toruko-jin wrote:

I got my ticket for DKMS and hope to see you and many Buyus from Kutaki village
I will explain whatever you want, if I know the answers.


I have not bought my tickets yet, but my plan is to be there. I guess I am waiting for the crude oil price to go down even more and the dollar goes up, up and then the tickets will go back to triple digits... hahaha....

It will be fun to meet all the villagers !

And I am genuinly curious to learn more about this "no leadership" because my impression as an outside observer is different, but admittedly, this is a superficial impression but i guess many people around me share it. But this is probably not a topic for a kutaki post - too much typing and the matter is not easy.

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Ercan, Mariusz,

DKMS starts on a Sunday, which means many of us Japan residents can attend at least one day with little conflict with work schedules. I'm looking forward to seeing you gentlemen here!

I PMed Leam about Buddhism, because the content of my message was off topic. Uh...I suppose this whole post is off topic

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Erizabesu, just think of it as expressing our religion through our ability to act in community. Tends to be a clearer demonstration of beliefs anyway.

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Most of what happens in the Bujinkan is NOT in line with modern day Christianity. Of course, modern day Christianity has a lot more to do with the teachings of Paul (who was NOT a disciple of Jesus) than the actual teachings of Jesus.

If one examines the teachings of Jesus, and eliminates the hearsay and third party commentary. The Bujinkan's teachings do not really contradict anything he had to say.

I am stating these things are historical fact. That most Christian traditions today extend from the teachings of Paul is simply a fact.

Posted on: 2008/10/3 13:49
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I would probably be a Cathar if the 'Christians' hadn't wiped them from the face of the earth.

Pseudo Shingon Benjamin Hoff Ryu Taoism Christian-upbringing-guilt Ninjaism will do me as a theosophy for now though!

My main problem is allowing popular fiction to make me think about religion, I bet more than one of us sent off for the 'reference books' behind some of the recent conspiracy theory trashy novels. The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail just wasn't enough fun for me though. I'm more Calvin and Hobbes in my need for entertainment.

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Ninjutsu is an art of expediency. If religion can be used for an advantage, then amen. Since areas of faith, fear, and morality, mortality and the like are highly charged emotionally, they represent opportunities for manipulation. This is a fact known to organized religion as well as to the ninja. I don't mean to offend anyone, but one should be wary of openly displaying his weaknesses.

Posted on: 2008/10/3 22:55
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Fnord325 wrote:
Most of what happens in the Bujinkan is NOT in line with modern day Christianity.


Glenn, by "what happens" do you mean (1) how some people behave (ego etc...) or (2) what system of values is being transmitted by the elders in the art?

If this is the former, I understand. If this is the latter, then could you please provide some examples ?

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Posted on: 2008/10/4 3:56
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Glenn, follow up question on the teachings of Paul vs the teachings of Jesus. How do you see them as different? Paul considered himself an apostle of Jesus and worked with the others who had spent more time with him.

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