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Buji Rules?
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Forgive me group.

I have some questions I would like cleared up to the best of the groups ability.

I have posted here before and have gotten great insight from other Budoka of this group. I have stated in my previous posts that I study under the Jinenkan Flag (Unsui Makana Sensei)one degree of separation from him under one of his senior students. And yes, I have trained with Unsui Manaka Sensei on numerous continents

I had made contact with a Shidoshi of the Bujinkan in my area to train with them. When I stated that I train in the Jinenkan I was told that Hatsumi Sensei does not allow Jinenkan members to train within the Bujinkan. Yet, when In "NODA where both the Bujinkan and the Jinenkan Honbu's are located", I am welcome to train at the Bujinkan Honbu. Also the Jinenkan has many members from the Bujinkan and many from the Bujinkan have purchased more tutorial videos produced by Unsui Manaka Sensei from the Jinenkan than Jinenkan members have within the last 2 years.

I cant understand why I would not be allowed here in the US to train with other Buji's? To my understanding there is no beef between either Kan and I believe that the Kobudo is a gift for those with a pure heart and clear mind. Am I missing something?

Anyone have any idea why this is?

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Posted on: 2008/12/12 16:58
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When I stated that I train in the Jinenkan I was told that Hatsumi Sensei does not allow Jinenkan members to train within the Bujinkan.


I'm no Shidoshi, however my understanding of this from what I have heard in the past, was that Soke doesn't want Bujinkan members to train in either Jinenkan or Genbukan.
I have never heard that members of either organisation were to be refused entry to the Bujinkan. I may have missed that though... :)
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My understanding is that this RUMOR is COMPLETE nonsense. "Some guy" does not have the right to determine what is acceptable in the Bujinkan. Only Hatsumi sensei has that sort of authority.

This is the Bujinkan webpage:

http://www.bujinkan.com

These are the Bujinkan guidelines:

http://www.bujinkan.com/guidelines.htm

Nothing there talks about taboos on training with other organizations. Therefore, there is no taboo from the Bujinkan side. That will remain the case until Hatsumi sensei says otherwise through an official, public media.


On the other hand, I think the Genbukan does not allow its members (of the Ninpo Bugei) to train with members of other ninjutsu organizations (i.e. Jinenkan, Bujinkan). The rules can be seen on the Genbukan homepage.


speaking of training......

Posted on: 2008/12/12 23:12
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Yet, when In "NODA where both the Bujinkan and the Jinenkan Honbu's are located", I am welcome to train at the Bujinkan Honbu.


When you are training at Honbu, is Hatsumi Sensei aware that you are a Jinenkan member and not a Bujinkan member?

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Yes, when In Noda it is known that I am with the Jinenkan

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Sorry to stray off the topic, but how do you know it [you being a member of the Jinenkan et al] is known? You have discussed this with the teachers at the Bujinden, perhaps?

EDIT added a word for the sentence to make sense

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Takamatsu sensei trained under more than one master.

Hatsumi sensei trained under more than one master.


....what does this tell us?

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Takamatsu sensei trained under more than one master.

Hatsumi sensei trained under more than one master.

At the same time...?

Also, do we know the "politics" between these teachers?

Posted on: 2008/12/14 0:06
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Depending on your level of understanding, why would you train with the "student" while the master is still teaching??? Manaka san is a fine gentleman and he learned his art from Dr Hatsumi, but now he has gone his own way. The "master", Dr Hatsumi is still growing, learning and teaching things based on that learning and continued growth. As always the choice is the individual's as are the results that come from that choice. It is important to choose well.

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