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Re: Tanto (safety against slipping)
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It is not only Japanese blades. In the world you can see all the swords or daggers have some kind of a stopper, if you do not see it it is a sign that it is meant for slashing but not for trusting.

There are other helps of Tsuba ofcourse, the main reason is to defend, especially fingers and the hands. You can also use Tsuba in many many techniques to get advantage. Still you can give it a try, just trust a hard object with a live shirasaya and do the same (after you get your fingers stiched)with a regular Katana with Tsuka-ito, samegawa and Tsuba after 200 suburi (like men uchi).

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I've never heard that the tsuba on a katana was there to prevent slipping onto the blade. That's interesting makes me wonder why a lot of sword schools when the thrust put their hands on the hilt.


Originally, Japanese blades were straight and prominently, thrusting was the best use of the weapon, however, that would mean the force is directed straight forward and there was a possibility the hands would slip. Hence, Tsuba came into being.



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Still you can give it a try, just trust a hard object with a live shirasaya and do the same (after you get your fingers stiched)with a regular Katana with Tsuka-ito, samegawa and Tsuba after 200 suburi (like men uchi).


You should never use a blade in when it is in shirasaya. You need good quality, properly mounted koshirae.

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benkyoka wrote:
You should never use a blade in when it is in shirasaya.


These guys might disagree ....

Click to see original Image in a new window

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I'm going to have to disagree with you Syd about the purpose of the tsuba on a katana and knives.

I recommend that the OP seriously focuses on how to grip the knife and sword to see how to thrust without slipping onto the blade.

Ercan,
Sorry, but have you done suburi? There is no way you can slip onto the blade.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you Syd about the purpose of the tsuba on a katana and knives.


http://www.ils.unc.edu/~allen/tmain.html
http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=182951
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_sword_mountings#Tsuba
http://www.shibuiswords.com/genji-montsuba.htm


Duncan,

Could you at least put some names to your picture or an association. It would probably help make your point a little clearer.

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Could you at least put some names to your picture or an association. It would probably help make your point a little clearer.


The photo is of the yamaguchi-gumi (Japan’s largest crime syndicate).

The sword used in the shirasaya has the image in Japan (particularly for watchers of the many mobster flicks ground out in the ‘70s and ‘80s) of a trademark of the yakuza.

Why? Since a good sword is usually just stored this way maybe it’s the way a sword is acquired for a job (stolen or taken by standover tactics); the sword remains anonymous or that unlike a samurai who wears and practices with his sword everyday the sword just sits in storage for years until the day it is used.

More likely now I would say it is just image and the sword just looks more “gangster”. That is why you can buy cheap, blunt replica swords in shirasaya – it just has a different image.

There would be no practical reason in terms of use to use a sword in this way but in this case since the weapon would be used without any technique it shouldn’t be a great consideration.

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Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense now. I agree.

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Ercan,
Sorry, but have you done suburi? There is no way you can slip onto the blade.


Mr.Hartung,
Do not be funny.Please read what I wrote carefully, before asking those kind of ''smart''questions. I also found ''have you done suburi?'' offensive. I am not a keyboard warrior and if I am writing sth. here it is because I want to help people and get others experiences. Not to play ''who can pee further'' game.

I am a Kendoka for more than 6 years, train Muso Shinden Ryu iaido for more than 8 years, frequently do Tameshigeri with different swords (next to my Bujinkan training). I also had to fight with blades a few times. I know the greasy feeling of holding a blade when your hands get sweaty and bloody.

Can I ask your background with blades, your grading in Bujinkan ,Kendo or other blade related art so that I know if I am wasting my time here or not.

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What does kendo or kenjutsu have to do with knife fighting???

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jackal wrote:
What does kendo or kenjutsu have to do with knife fighting???



dunno... perhaps a sword (apart from being a rope this year ) can be treated like a pretty long knife?

mn

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