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Re: Ninjutsu Website That is Pretty Cool
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I'll suggest this one more time, get off the web and into a dojo.

Use this as food for thought..

http://henka.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/control-thyspace/

Marty

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And I'll say this one more time: I already said I was joining a dojo.
But I'm staying on the web.
Thanx for the link though. I bookmarked it

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Haw Haw
I used to have that T-Shirt

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I like to think that the space is controlled rather well in my Dojo and i know what someone with a web site such as this would be told if they tried to join. It is really no wonder that Soke changed the name and really has distanced himself and the Bujinkan from the "Ninja". Besides it really is a lot easier to ask someone to open a door than to pick locks. Just another perspective. D

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Gabriel,

There is a whole host of info on BJK out there on the internet, though as you said, it's mainly very basic stuff. This is on purpose. Not so that others don't learn our secrets, but because anything advanced requires not only years of practice but solid context for it to even make sense, so BJK info isn't really going to give your site anything substantial. Having said that, I work the night shift with nothing to do but read or watch videos online and have a slightly more than passing interest in survivalist techniques, so there are a few vids that I enjoyed watching and appreciated being compiled together, so thanks for that!

Someone said earlier that infatuation can often be misinterpreted for passion, and I think that fits here. I don't mean that as an insult either, there are plenty of times in my developement(martial or otherwise) that I mistook one for the other and it was always to my detriment. I wish that in my youth, I had a clearer idea of this pitfall to personal growth. To clarify, someone passionate about sharing info about Ninjutsu IMO, would 1. Speak Japanese 2. Read Japanese and 3. Would focus on translating the already authentically verified works on Ninjutsu(Gunpo, Bansenshukai, Shoninki), rather than videos of "Ninja Guy A infiltrating his garage" found online.

Personally I think you'd be better served by beginning training and writing a blog about your martial path, as you obviously want to share your passion. Sure it may not get near as many views, but it would do alot more for your quality of life and sense of personal accomplishment. Also, as a matter of experience, I'm usually automatically suspect of anyone that seems overly willing to share. They usually don't have anything of value.(as you can plainly see with my post!)

Also bear in mind what someone said earlier about you having a preconceived idea of what ninja were and did. "Shuriken", for example, doens't translate to "thrown blade", I don't speak Japanese to any useful degree but from what I've gathered, the word refers to a "palmed" weapon. "Palmed", in the sleight of hand sense of the word. So what you have, is a weapon that's small enough to hide, even when your holding and using it.(i.e. within what looks like a simple grab/throw, there's actually several cuts/stabs/etc.. ) When thrown they served as a distraction so it's not really super important that they "stick".



The reality of Ninjutsu, to me, is way more impressive than the commonly held misconceptions.

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On Scottbaioisdead,

While his seemingly excessive(IMO) tendency to correct people with no regard for the sense of shame and embarrassment that people inevitable feel when something they thought they knew is shown to be incorrect, I find off putting. Specifically because all it does is serve to further alienate the person he's arguing with, which seems counterproductive to the purpose of correcting someone. Having said that, there's never been a time where I've said to myself...."This guy doesn't have a clue what he's talking about." He seems to have amassed a huge amount of source material on the subject which lends to his credibility, and I seem to remember something about him being referenced in a Japanese publication as a "Ninjutsu Researcher".


On the Koga Ryu/Nintaijutsu/WotW people,

They seem to be sincere people, and I don't doubt that they believe in the veracity of their art as much as we believe in ours. But for me, what they do follows the "80's Hollywood Ninja Mythos" too closely for me to believe it authentic. Is what they do effective? Probably. As far as I can tell it usually looks to be a amalgamation of several different gendai arts, and not necessarily Japanese ones either..(i.e. Karate, Aikido, Judo, TKD, WuShu, etc...)Disclaimer: I have no idea how old Wushu is, but I included it because many of "them" do.

Bear in mind you can tell alot about someone by how they choose to present themselves(Can you tell that I wish that I knew what I was talking about, but not really enough to diligently study it?).I've noticed when talking with these people online that they tend to say things that sound like they're from a Ninja movie. Sage-like pearls that remind me of a certain David Carradine show. Specific references to being a "humble warrior" and using the term interchangeably between meaning "meager", "not arrogant", or "submissive", seemingly just to use the word again and sound mystical and wise. What I see when I read those kinds of replies, is someone "infatuated" with the romantic mythos associated with "Warriors of Shadow". Also watch out for repeated references to "Warriors of Shadow" and the like.

In the end, people will get exactly what they want, and if they want to believe that Ninja existed exactly as Hollywood describes them(because we all know that Hollywood is known for it's attention to historical detail), then they will.

Like I said though, that's not to say that there aren't plenty of sincere people who believe in the veracity of their art and study it diligently. Subuurban Ninja and Ali Karim seem to fit in this category, though the mission statement of the Way of the Winds org of "research and reconstruction" seems to take a back seat to "we're the true ninja and Hatsumi is a fraud". Subuurban does an excellent job of arguing the points he makes, but he does so from an academically inferior position.(to scottbaioisdead) Using logic to fill gaps in information is something perfectly natural that everyone does and IMO, shouldn't be regarded as the mark of someone being disingenuous, but something should be said for those people who, in the face of the "logic crutch", put it down and take an active role in learning(Academic/Research) to the best of their ability.

That should get you started....Gambatte

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WOW....Just Wow....
Thank you Mr Gambatte. It is clear that you're very intelligent and wise in your years. You also have a large degree of tact and respect, and I welcome you to talk to me anytime. After reading your two posts, I not only agreed with 95% of what you said, I also have a deeper sense of respect for your insights.
I had also considered learning to read and write Japanese...and I have several books on those very subjects.
Thank you for your insight, it's inspired me even more.

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also....I have way too much content (Still to upload) and too many necessary features for a blog to handle.
You've obviously looked through the website and found some things to be of informative value....and I'm sure that you've seen things that you think is ridiculous...so join if you already haven't and help me to make the site better....I am always willing to edit and improve to maintain accuracy.
As for the Hollywood Ninja...They have some good ideas that can be adapted...that's all. My website revolves more around actual skills that can be adapted to ninja. Like US Military, Private Detective, ect...

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