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Kenjutsu vs. Ono-ha Itto Ryu
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I was wondering if someone could please clarify the difference between kenjutsu and Ono-ha Itto Ryu styles? Also, what is the official sword school of ninjutsu....or would this be kenjutsu? Please someone let me know. It would help clarify styles and school of thought/practice. Thank you!

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I was wondering if someone could please clarify the difference between kenjutsu and Ono-ha Itto Ryu styles? Also, what is the official sword school of ninjutsu....or would this be kenjutsu? Please someone let me know. It would help clarify styles and school of thought/practice. Thank you!


I think the wiki description of kenjutsu and other sword art classifications is pretty reasonable :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenjutsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battōjutsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tojutsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iaidō
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo


In the Bujinkan the term kenpo (different kanji than the name of the striking martial art) was and is often used instead of kenjutsu but they basically mean the same thing. Once in class Hatsumi-sensei talked about the difference between kenjutsu and kempo and why the name kenpo is preferred … but I’ve forgotten his main points of that lecture.

The basis of Bujinkan kenjutsu kata that I have seen are Kukishin Ryu Kenpo and Togakure Ryu / Gyokko Ryu Ninja Kenpo but mostly many many kuden (oral tradition) and a studies of basics in distancing, timing and control.

I think the study of sword should start from learning basic cuts correctly (especially oshi-giri) and taijutsu. Sensei says the basis of our sword is muto dori (unarmed techniques against an opponent with a sword) – I suppose in this way you are not thinking about fighting with a sword but using your body correctly.

The best kuden I heard from sensei in understanding sword was “Swords cut well” in that you don’t need to swing the thing around – just take the best position.

If you want to study the kenjutsu of the Bujinkan please start by reading Sensei book:
Japanese Sword Fighting: Secrets of the Samurai

And buy the DVDs

Ken / Tachi / Katana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmBMugwubqw

Ninja Biken

Daikomyosai 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9fE6VH0uPc

Daikomyosai ‘96
http://www.queststation.com/samplemovie/SPD-7020_movie.html

And of course study with a good teacher.

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Thank you for replying! I have Sensei Hatsumi's book you mentioned and have read it. However, I presently practice ninjutsu on my own since no where to practice, and I am a student from the Ono-ha Itto Ryu sword school. I am mostly trying to understand the difference between the sword techniques, application, and how they are connected. What are your thoughts?

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Thank you for replying! I have Sensei Hatsumi's book you mentioned and have read it. However, I presently practice ninjutsu on my own since no where to practice, and I am a student from the Ono-ha Itto Ryu sword school. I am mostly trying to understand the difference between the sword techniques, application, and how they are connected. What are your thoughts?


My thoughts are that your chances of learning Bujinkan sword by yourself while studying the Ono-ha Itto Ryu are about the same as my studying the sword of Ono-ha Itto Ryu by myself while studying sword in the Bujinkan.

Budo is Isshi Soden (person to person communication) in my opinion. The only people capable of transmitting the budo of the Bujinkan are those with a deep, personal teacher-student relationship with one of the Japanese shihan (or Hatsumi-sensei). You can’t learn by yourself or from the so-called self study courses. You can’t even learn much about it from a teacher without a strong connection to Japan. This is of course my opinion only.

Just concentrate on applying yourself to Ono-ha Itto Ryu.

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I understand what you are saying. However, I still try to get to seminars and travel to be taught ninjutsu when there are scheduled dates and times of seminars that I can travel to. I will continue with Ono-ha Itto Ryu as much as possible but I do need to continue to try to learn what I can in ninjutsu. My passion is in the art and that passion is what drives me to learn when possible. Thank you for your thoughts and opinion.

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Thank everyone for their thoughts an opinions on the topic. However, my initial question of the differences between ninjutsu kenjutsu vs. Ono-ha Itto Ryu has not been answered. What is the difference in style, application, technique, etc?

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Comparing the differences might need someone who has knowledge of both the styles. Maybe none like that has yet popped in

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Zenigata wrote: My thoughts are that your chances of learning Bujinkan sword by yourself while studying the Ono-ha Itto Ryu are about the same as my studying the sword of Ono-ha Itto Ryu by myself while studying sword in the Bujinkan.


I agree with Duncan. Choose one and if you choose Bujinkan then find a competent Kukishin sword practitioner.

Sidenote:

Most of the weapon work comes from the Kukishin. Especially the more obscure weapons that were unique to the Kukishin. Including the kyogetsu shoge and "Togakure Sanpo Hiden." (All Kukishin pirate weapons used to board ships and attack the people on them. They were deleted from the original Kukishin scrolls when Takamatsu rewrote and gave a copy to the Kuki family after the fires.)

That material was what he was going to use to create the Kukishin Ninjutsu school he asked permisson to create. That information can be found in other Kukishin schools that was passed on through Takamatsu before he split with the family and Togakure was introduced to the world. That is why other schools know some of the Togakure material. ie. teppan = senban shuriken Togakure Kunai (Juppo Seshou) is the Kukishin tessen. The Togakure sword comes from the Kukishin hanbojutsu.

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