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policy on offshoot groups
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i know for a fact that bujinkan and genbukan guys are not to train with each other.

question: does that apply to other groups as well, eg toshindo, bbd, etc?

Posted on: 2010/8/27 0:46
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Hmm, is there really any other answer than - the notorious - "ask your teacher"?

Sorry.

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as of the moment that doesn't apply to me. it will if i go with this offer. the question is if i train with a group(not join them per se) will it affect me if i were to join the bujinkan later?

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Are you considering belonging to both organizations at the same time?

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Are you considering belonging to both organizations at the same time?


jinenkan training for solid basics ????
Doing the unthinkable???

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jinenkan training for solid basics ????
Doing the unthinkable???

Sorry, but what might you mean by that?

Posted on: 2010/8/27 18:38
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Lockfield wrote:
i know for a fact that bujinkan and genbukan guys are not to train with each other.

question: does that apply to other groups as well, eg toshindo, bbd, etc?


I get the impression that all of these groups have the same rule, as an ex-BBD member and seeing this same question arise many times over 10 years on internet forums.

The loophole would be training with members of other groups outside the dojo environment.

Also there is more variation within the Bujinkan than within the entire Takamatsuden 'community' as a whole. There are Bujinkan dojo who concentrate on kata and formality like the Genbukan and Jinenkan, there are Bujinkan dojo who work more on practical application and bunkai/henka of kihon more than the kihon waza themselves, and there are Bujinkan dojo who spar hard and encourage cross training. There are Bujinkan dojo who train in hakama more often than dogi pants, and Bujinkan dojo where no one know what hakama actually are, or have abandoned keikogi entirely in favour of t-shirts year round. Some train in tabi, others in jikatabi, others barefoot, some on mats, some of hard floors, all of which make for very a different feeling to the training, and of course the experience and level of connection to Hombu means that different dojo are doing very different things. Some follow the yearly theme, others ignore it. Some are aligned to certain shihan at the exclusion of others, and perpetuate anatagonism towards certain fellow members of the org, and are more negative about people who should be buyu than they are against those who left the org to do their own thing.

It's all a bit mad really.

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The loophole would be training with members of other groups outside the dojo environment.


that's exactly it. an acquaintance of mine invited me to a seminar held by a ex-bjk member, i declined. i was again invited to the next "certification" seminar, and i'm now having doubts.

so what's the official policy on that loophole?

Posted on: 2010/8/28 2:31
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that's exactly it. an acquaintance of mine invited me to a seminar held by a ex-bjk member, i declined. i was again invited to the next "certification" seminar, and i'm now having doubts.

so what's the official policy on that loophole?


Why do you need an "official" policy on that?

If you are interested just go to that seminar. You do not have to go and join another organization to do that, and you do not have to advertise in Bujinkan circles that you have attended that seminar, unless you want to.

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Yes, as long as you aren't using velcro to change your gi patch every time you go somewhere different.

Posted on: 2010/8/29 18:59
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