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Kukishinden Ryu Question
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Hi all,
What are the main aspects of this Ryu-ha? I am interested in learning how the waza were created and also some of the kata.
I am interested in both the Genbukan and Bujinkan. Are there any good books that give information about this ryu-ha?
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You might get a more accurate answer if you ask what is the nature of life. You get a feeling of what the Kata are about by doing them. Soke often gives us historical information about the Ryu such as the armor initially intended, but then often says you can't only think about them in that aspect. There is no answer appropriate to your question that can be written on any chat space.

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I have concluded over the years that you can say KukishinDen or Kukishin Ryu, but not KukishinDen Ryu. The caveat is that our Kukishin Ryu (or KukishinDen) would be seen by other branches as Hatsumi-ha, and not necessarily the 'principal' lineage of the Kuki family's arts, although related in the past, and essentially the same art (or not, this is one of the many things no one in the BJK agrees on). These other branches are worth a look though, even if no more than a peruse on youtube.

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I have concluded over the years that you can say KukishinDen or Kukishin Ryu, but not KukishinDen Ryu. The caveat is that our Kukishin Ryu (or KukishinDen) would be seen by other branches as Hatsumi-ha, and not necessarily the 'principal' lineage of the Kuki family's arts, although related in the past, and essentially the same art (or not, this is one of the many things no one in the BJK agrees on). These other branches are worth a look though, even if no more than a peruse on youtube.

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I am interested if there are any books that contain the Kukishin Ryu sword waza the way that Stick Fighting contains the various staff waza. I have Japanese Sword Fighting, but primarily the waza in that are from the Gyoku Ryu Geraku No Maki. Not interested in anything not written by Soke, unless the author is a very well respected Shihan. Thanks

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@ElfTengu:
Kuki;
(Clan/family name)

Kukishin-ryu;
(Ishitani Takeo Masatsugu 25th Soke)

Kukishinden happo biken no jutsu;
(The ability of the hidden weapons against nine demons in [Kukishin-ryu]eight directions)

Kukishin-ryu Tenshin Hyoho;

Kukishinden-ryu;
(Nine demon god's school)->taijutsu happo biken

Deciphering the history of the Kuki family and the distinct features of the related ryu will be difficult, but there are several schools with similar names yet different "waza" or definitive traits derived from the Kukishin-ryu, let me do a little more research.

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Found some on Amazon, they are expensive though, Kukishin Ryu Bujutsu (bo/hanbo) is a translation of Kiba Oshiro's hand written notes and drawings of Kukishin-ryu bojutsu and hanbo. I'm sure there are others but haven't read them personally.

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YoruKage wrote:

"I am interested if there are any books that contain the Kukishin Ryu sword waza the way that Stick Fighting contains the various staff waza. I have Japanese Sword Fighting, but primarily the waza in that are from the Gyoku Ryu Geraku No Maki."

Hi,

Off the top of my head, without the book handy at the moment, I do recall the Kukishinden Kenpô being written out in that book....

Posted on: 2013/4/23 16:08
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Yorukage, checked the book this morning (after my eyes happened on it on the shelf :) ), and yes the Kenpô Katas are written out in the book.

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