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I've been invited to an MMA gym (save the jokes please). They don't know my background in Bujinkan and I don't feel its necessary to volunteer that information. If asked I may say that I have martial arts experience and maybe share that I have briefly visited and trained in Japan. Granted that as an MMA sparring partner I would be limited in what methods I can use, but I think this will be a good opportunity to apply some of what I have learned so far, coupled with my physical fitness I think I'll be a good sparring partner for some of these guys, mainly Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and boxing practitioners.

Or maybe I'll just get my @$$ kicked! Hahaha, I'll let you guys know how it goes....

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Prepare to have your eyes opened...

Seriously, if your attitude about it is healthy, you'll have one hell of a good time. Your ukemi will be the most useful, as it will allow you to adapt and absorb what you experience. You will walk away with something constructive.

Be careful, though, as it has different goals and conditions from BBT. As the old saying goes, "don't miss the cart for the horse". MMA is an entirely different animal and you are a stranger entering it's habitat...

And, most of all, have fun!

Posted on: 2012/1/25 3:28
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I'm just looking forward to rolling with some guys of generally high strength/endurance. Its an unfortunate reality that most people in the BJK can simply be overpowered, regardless of their exp level.

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Let us hear about your experience, I'm certain that it will make interesting reading!

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Day 1: Strictly grappling (6 hrs)

I was able to prevent nearly every technique against me (6ft, 190lbs) with muscle or body weight, also able to apply said techniques easier against weaker or lighter opponents. Only challenge was another who outweighed me by about 30-40lbs. Clearly he was much stronger than me, and I would never try to grapple with a guy this size. Opportunity to break away was almost always present, yet the class was structured to learn these techniques, hence we maintained contact and grappled continuously.

Yet during the entire drill I kept thinking, "..strike groin, grab skin, gouge eye, boshinken to ribs, ko goroshi..." and so on and so forth.

So size and strength gave people an advantage in this particular circumstance given that there was no striking allowed. Kinda want to watch Royce Gracie and see how he submitted all these big dudes back in the day.

FYI, I have never watched an MMA or UFC match...until tonight because its part of our homework :)

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Six hours of grappling?

Posted on: 2012/1/31 15:06
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Kinda want to watch Royce Gracie and see how he submitted all these big dudes back in the day.

FYI, I have never watched an MMA or UFC match...until tonight because its part of our homework :)


Good you had an educational (and I'm sure physically challenging) experience...

Regarding larger guys, my experience has been they lose mostly due to either not knowing what to do and/or being worn down or from positional advantage by the smaller guy (stay out of range, get behind them, etc). This may involve getting into a relative safe clinch position and striking the body, etc, to further tax their endurance so they lose the strength advantage. Although arm locks and "ground & pound" are difficult against a physically larger/stronger opponent, it can be done if their muscles are fatigued enough. But, a lot of early fights against large men ended with the smaller getting into a rear naked choke (sankakujime kind of choke) and letting the lack of air and blood diffuse the larger man's strength.

Without going into the practicality of the training to real fighting, it's good you are experiencing this. Just remember, if you can see the holes and opportunities for thumb jabs, eye tearing, etc, so can your opponent. In a real fight, he may likely use them just as much (more or less) than you. But, to be able to pull off strong technique without relying on those things shows a high level of skill, especially if your opponent is stronger.

Gambatte!

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We can not say that a bigger man can punch and kick as much as we can (if we train them alot and other guy does not)..this goes the same with eye gauging, kicking the groin etc. If you train this all the time they become an instinct and we all know that when we think of doing sth. in a real situation it is always too late.
Do not get me wrong ofcourse basic Taijutsu is the key but for Goshinjutsu it is always to train for the eyes, groin, throat etc. This is just like training with your gun..if you train everyday you can shoot much better than a guy who burns a few bullets in whole year. Training is the key. Do not think that you can easily get over a guy who trains 5 hours a day :)

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Do not think that you can easily get over a guy who trains 5 hours a day :)


I think this is a key point. A friend and I were discussing this very thing yesterday. We see MMA fights and 'assume' this is what we can expect on the street, but fail to realize that both fighters train constantly. A professional fighter spends most of his time training just for this one moment. He will get up early, run miles, hit the gym and workout for hours, train with his coach for hours, spar for hours, etc, all while keeping a highly disciplined nutrition schedule. This far exceeds most people who train in martial arts. So, when you look at how they fight, it's important understand what they do to be able to perform at that level and accept the fact that you simply will not unless you are willing to do what they do. This fact also plays out in being able to successfully perform certain techniques under the pressure of a fully resistant opponent. Some stuff just requires a high level of training to be able to pull off. This is why it's dangerous sometimes to see other arts and assume you can just integrate it into your own training. You have to understand fully just what it is you are looking at and whether the road to get to that level works with or against the road you are already trying to follow.

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I train in both BJK and Gracie jiu-jitsu and agree wholeheartedly that it's a dodgy thing to assume from video. The MMA guys with whom I roll are in awesome shape and can smoothly transition from striking to locks to chokes. Doesn't mean that they know about weapons or multiple opponents. But it's equally silly to figure that your kyusho knowledge or similar transitions without modification.

Regardless of the case, there's definitely something to be said for experiencing other arts and perspectives. Gracie BJJ has a lot in common with Bujinkan in that there are some amazing, honorable and inspiring people engaged in the art, others making progress step by step, still others finding their way, and an near equal dollop of LARPERs and assholes who are trying to live out a fantasy. Seeing a similar distribution of personality types in another art was an unexpected bonus to cross training.

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