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Instrictor attitudes on students training with other instructors.
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I keep hearing how "my instructor says I can only train with him (or her). I find this a very sad attitude on the part of an instructor, why? Well first of all none of us are good at everything or know it all. Each instructor will have focused on certain parts of our art where they may be quite good -- and even good at teaching that part. I make a distinction because the two are not always true. Just having real skill does not mean you have the skill to teach it. This is why I personally feel that seeing a number of good instructors gives the student the best opportunity for learning. Find out who is known to be good at a certain area and train with them on that specific area. That way you can avoid the lost time and effort that instructor went through to get where he/she is. Continue to train with one dojo and rely on your instructor for your rank advancement, but don't limit yourself to what he/she is good at. See and train with other good instructors. It is in this cooperative community that the best chance for growth and improvement of skills resides. Any comments?

Posted on: 2013/8/12 10:30
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Agree, trainees should be allowed to choose themselves where / with whom they train, I cannot see how we could hold any rights over their free will in this regard.

Posted on: 2013/8/12 13:37
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Agreed. I haven't had the misfortune of training with anyone who insisted that I only learn from them. That would be a demonstration of weak leadership ability.

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You should always talk to your teacher before deciding to train with a different instructor. First, it is just the respectful thing to do. Secondly, there may be things you are not aware of concerning that instructor.

If you have doubts about your own teacher, then the first point is moot.

I had a student once, in a kickboxing class I was teaching, who decided he wanted to train with some guys at a local MMA club. I told him to avoid them, because they have a reputation for injuring people. He went anyway, and got his hand broken (previously injured in a match), because he let them goad him into sparring, when he knew he was injured. They accomplished exactly what they wanted. My student had been successful at some local events, and they wanted him hurt, but probably felt they couldn't do it in a match. Sometimes it isn't ego that prompts a teacher to tell you not to do something.

That being said, if a teacher says you should only train with him or her ever, period, then that may be a sign of a problem.

At the same time, why do you want to go train with another person? If you don't feel you can tell your teacher about it, then maybe that issue needs to be dealt with in a mature and polite fashion.

Posted on: 2013/8/19 4:44
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Fnord325 wrote:
You should always talk to your teacher before
deciding to train with a different instructor.
First, it is just the respectful thing to do.
Secondly, there may be things you are not aware
of concerning that instructor.

...[snip]...

That being said, if a teacher says you should
only train with him or her ever, period, then
that may be a sign of a problem.




Good point!

These are two different issues, indeed! Wanting
to keep students "tied" to oneself... or trying
to keep students from bad things.

Might be difficult to convey it, though... not
to get misunderstood the latter for the first.


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Good point!

These are two different issues, indeed! Wanting
to keep students "tied" to oneself... or trying
to keep students from bad things.

Might be difficult to convey it, though... not
to get misunderstood the latter for the first.



This is always the problem. Given that there are so many poor teachers in the martial arts in general, this makes it so much harder.


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Given that there are so many poor
teachers in the martial arts in
general, this makes it so much
harder.



Terminology here, too, makes a
difference; what do we mean by
a bad / poor teacher?

The quality of teaching?

Teacher's ability?

Or something else....?

EDIT typo

Posted on: 2013/8/19 19:30
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The student deserves the teacher he gets based on the effort he puts into his search. First look at the teachers movements does it look decent effective. Does the teacher encourage you to train with others claiming only to be a guide. Thats all good.

Next look at the senior students movements are they fluid do they have a good understanding of the basics. These are all important points to look at when your deciding what you want to train in.

A few reg flags i have noticed

1. The teacher tells you they will offer you the secret to become deadly or the ultimate fighter they are blowing smoke up your butt and full of it

2. They want you to hurry and sign a year long contract with them after 1 to 3 classes.

3. There are children black belts of the age of 12 and under.

4. The teacher claims to be the source of knowledge and you can't learn anything else from anyone else.

5. The teachers movements are still tense muscling and he is off balance half the time.

All these red flags should make one think caution before training in any dojo or with anyone.

If you have a good teacher talk with him about training with someone else great idea he can give you insight.

Whenever you are looking at another dojo always be polite and respectful know what you are looking for and always be humble this is the mark of good martial artist.


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Quote:

Yamazu wrote:
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Given that there are so many poor
teachers in the martial arts in
general, this makes it so much
harder.



Terminology here, too, makes a
difference; what do we mean by
a bad / poor teacher?

The quality of teaching?

Teacher's ability?

Or something else....?

EDIT typo


My point was, given that there are so many poor teachers out there in general, it makes guiding your students that much more difficult. If they have been burned by others, then they may not be as open to listening to advice, even when it is good or appropriate.

Posted on: 2013/8/25 15:27
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Ah, ok, valid point!

Though... How can anyone certify oneself to be a "good" teacher... A good teacher to one might be a bad teacher to another, right?

All we can do is our best, try to follow the path shown by our own teachers, and help those willing to tag along.

Could this be turned around, too; should we teach anyone who comes asking?

Posted on: 2013/8/25 16:23
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