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Question on koku
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Hi Kutaki,

for over a bit two years now I have a training group and after all this time I dared to try out some katas from Gyokko Ryu, including koku.

My teacher kinda lives further away from my hometown and we still have to discuss this, but:

I had koku in the dojo I used to train in. Deflecting the kick was with the left leg and "kicking" with the same leg, before coming in with a boshi ken.

I have some materials describing it that way.

Now, I showed it to my people the wrong way, as I did it by memory, before consulting my material, which means: I evaded the zenpo geri of uke, deflecting the kick the my right leg and hitting him with my right leg, following a righ boshi ken to the hip area.

Well, it felt odd at the moment, because it went well.

Now, I checked my papers and it says otherwise, but when I checked the net and found an old video of Hatsumi sensei (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke6PFO1uypg) the did it with his right leg.

I am kinda confused. Was sensei showing a henka?

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Here's the "other way" for reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPLRkl9txuY

Though, in recent years I've been taught it yet another way

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Hi mate,

thanks, I've seen that one, too.

Doesn't help me being confused. *lol*

How do you teach it in your dôjô?

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The "basic basic" way I do it is the Keri-gaeshi with left foot, as shown on the clip.

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OK, tried that showing my peeps, after I showed it wrong... big confusion, I tell ya'. lol


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Yeah, one should remain "open" about the forms,
not get stuck to one way one might have seen it
done by someone sometime somewhere

Again an old lesson from Sveneric Bogsäter Sensei;

If someone shows a form and says that is the way
it is done, who are we to argue. We don't know
whom they in turn learned it from, what was the
situation, was it "basic form" of was it a Henka...

As I noted, over the years I've learned many forms
in different ways, even from the same teachers.
This might be confusing, especially for trainees
migrating from more strictly structured martial
art forms.

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Keep in mind the 'reason' for the form/kata. It is designed to teach something important. No matter what 'form' is shown that is what must be there, that important principle.

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Dear Nightwing,

I dont want to sound too negative but you shouldnt need to ask on-line how to do Koku. Its the first waza of Gyokko Ryu and of immense importance so it is very important that you get your teacher to show it to you (of course you must first make sure you have a teacher that is knowledgeable in these matters. If not, find a new teacher).

If you get taught by someone who really knows the Gyokko Ryu, you will understand there is a certain structure to it. If you practise correctly you will find this structure shows up in other waza from Gyokko Ryu as well.

A small hint to the Koku, there are several ways to do it (that still are according to the Writings of the School and the teachings of the masters. Ive also seen a lot wrong ways to do it. Once you have started to realize the core you can easily discard wrong versions.

Good luck and keep in practise / Skuggvarg

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I agree with the above poster. It's important to learn from someone who knows how to do it properly. Koku is the first and in many ways most important kata from Gyokko Ryu. How you do it will influence how you do the other waza from the school so it's best to be sure you've been shown correctly and then practice it that way.

Also, it's probably best not to do it exactly as shown in the video posted here.

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Re: Question on koku
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Hi skuggvark, hi benkyoka,

I did ask my teacher, problem is: He is not living in my hometown. The very next time he hits Hamburg, koku will be on the menu.

Don't worry, I am not intending to learn via a forum, just consulting people here, who are more experienced in the Bujinkan - and in this case Gyokko Ryu.


Posted on: 2013/10/15 22:07
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