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Kunai Kata of Da Juppo Seshu 2003
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Dear members of Kutaki,



first of all let me send many heartful greetings to you
from Berlin, Germany.

I`m visiting this forum sometimes but actually this is
my first posting.

Please forgive me if I`m writing wrong things or just garbage
(in such a case I just didn`t know better) as I`m only
an advanced beginner who tries to learn as much as possible
(special thanks to Ohashi Shihan, I do really enjoy his postings).




My question:
At a seminar in`03 I managed to write down only 1 of the 8(?) Kunai Kata
and would therefore be happy if someone could give me a Link or write
in short the movements of the Kata and the names and/or numbers.

It can be as short as possible, as I know(?) that there`s a lot of room on how
to interprete the techniques (or better principles?), as they are not totally detailed.



Thanks for your effort on reading this
Wilf

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Thanks for your compliment, but.... Wazas are not what we should input on the Internet so easily.
If I'm not mistaken, these 8 Katas were written on 2 sheets of papers (photocopies of Soke's handwritten Densho) and they were given only to 10th dan and above.

Come to think of it, did you check the DKMS DVDs?

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Thanks for your reply Ohashi Shihan.

I think I`ve seen a DVD with a lot very good techniques,
but couldn`t remember, which ones could have been "the basics".

What you wrote about putting techniques on the Internet seems to be something
one should really think of, of course. I think I should have made more clear
what I meant by "short" description:

As far as I can remember over the years, in general whenever I`ve been listening
to a teacher reading techniques from a Densho aloud, it was always very short and
with specific terms with not really that much concrete information - and therefore
absolutely useless for a person who has not trained a couple of years in our art.

As the Kunai Kata are taught at seminars, I didn`t think of them as meant for only the Shihan
(the written form). But as you said so (or something similar) I understand and respect that.

Furthermore, I forgot that all of you can`t see what kind of person I am,
how long I do train, where, how serious etc. so why should someone carelessly
give that information away? In my enthusiasm I maybe posted to soon my question.

Greetings,
Wilf

Posted on: 2005/3/28 1:41
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I think I`ve seen a DVD with a lot very good techniques,
but couldn`t remember, which ones could have been "the basics".


Well, I think it's natural because Juppo Sesshou is one of the most advanced things in the Bujinkan. You can't find any "basics" in Superstring theory if you've studied only highschool-level physics. (Neither can I.)

The basics you need most for JS are Taijutsu and small weapons.

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Furthermore, I forgot that all of you can`t see what kind of person I am, how long I do train, where, how serious etc. so why should someone carelessly give that information away?


Exactly. And we should be careful not to believe other people's comments/answers too easily. I've seen a lot of people post their ideas without showing us their sources.
(I wonder why only few people put their ranks etc. in their profiles to show their careers.)

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Superstring theory
Good Link.

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And we should be careful not to believe other people's comments/answers too easily. I've seen a lot of people post their ideas without showing us their sources.


Here,I totally agree, it`s always easier to get 100 good questions
from unexperienced people than just one single good answer from the
so many "taught and involved in everything there is at this planet"-people.

It`s really interesting:
The more one seems to know, the more he/she seems to state that... "
...this is just what I think as far I know/learned about it"


..........................Wilf...........................
(Wilfried Mücke, advanced beginner)

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The more one seems to know, the more he/she seems to state that... "
...this is just what I think as far I know/learned about it"


Yes, because they get to know IT DEPENDS.

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Yes that`s what I meant...

...and furthermore I think it`s a very polite way to
treat other people who have their knowledge,too.
One doesn`t try to defeat but rather to convince someone else (if at all) showing that he/she isn`t more important than the other person (even if one knows more about a certain thing).

I really think it`s good to offer knowledge, warmth etc this way and to hope that someone will be able to just accept what has been granted or maybe just think about it without being forced to do so because of one`s higher grade,age or whatever.

Ups, that wasn`t the theme of this thread, so I`ll have to come back...

... okay, I really like techniques with the Kunai.


..........................Wilf...........................
(Wilfried Mücke, advanced beginner)

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Ups, that wasn`t the theme of this thread, so I`ll have to come back...


Somebody made a Kunai out of a piece of cutting board and "board" is "ita" in Japanese. So, I called it an "Itakunai" (not painful).

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I remember back in 2003, at least here in Berlin, nobody did know
what that tool would loke like. Some people said it would be something
like a knife or a file,but nobody really knew much about it.

Spending hours in the Internet I finally got some photos.
I used them for making a Kunai of wood as close as possible
to the look of the ones one can see in the japaneses museums.

A few days later, at my first seminar where we were shownKunai techniques
(sorry, I know some people did really the best they could), there`ve been
some really strange ones. Nearly everybody was looking around to see what the other students
would bring with them and to see if their own weapon could maybe called a kind of Kunai.
That was really a funny day for me, not for the people
those affords I do ackknowledge but just for the situation itself.



..........................Wilf...........................
(Wilfried Mücke, advanced beginner)

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Same at Hombu/Ayase. We have various kinds of Kunais here -- large/small, thick/thin, wooden/plastic etc. The big one Danny made was so wide that I call it a spade. Soke recommended we make use of their characteristics.

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