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Plateau in training?
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Hello to all

I've been training within the Bujinkan since 1999, under the guidance of Ed Martin "Papa-San". In the beginning I felt that I was picking up on the ideas of the techniques rather quickly. After awhile my movements were becoming fluid and I was getting very comfortable with the actual execution of techniques. With Papa-San continuously showing me different ideas, I was feeling great. But as of late, I feel as though I have reached a plateau of some sort. Is this normal? Any thoughts on this would be great.

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Luis Garcia

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Re: Plateau in training?
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Yes, it is very normal. You will continue to grow then plateau for the rest of your days in this art. Sometimes the plateaus can last many years.

Just keep going!

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Thank you for your words. It is just frustrating at times. I'll definetely keep going. Take care.

Luis Garcia

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Re: Plateau in training?
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As Ben said Luis, plateaus are normal. It is rare that the "learning curve" is a straight upward line. It tends to cycle up and down with the up portion eventually moving higher. Every time you go back to the Kihon you will see something more that you didn't see before.
Ed Martin aka Papa-san

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Approach the art from a different angle. Like I have said in other posts: For the past three years I have been focused on learning the Kata in different ryu-ha (mainly Gyokko Ryu). Not only learning but studying how and why-specifics! The Shu - Ha of it.

I try to see if I can make the opponent do what I want him to do! But I use the Kata to force myself to stay within a form and try not ot stray from the form. It's difficult, challenging and exciting at the same time.

I look at the rythem, space and shape relationships and how I can manipulate them to work to my advantage.

Many people deal with no form. In the begining it's fun, but after a while it can get redundant so try the opposite and see what it does to your original ideas.

I hope this is inspiring you to expand your training.
I've been training in this art for about 15 years. I'm lovin' what I'm doing at this point and time (Basics).

Good Luck!


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I want to add that yes sometimes we hit plateus in our training. It is very important to seize the opportunity and train harder/more frequent. This will enliven your spirit and show you new ways of approaching a concept or idea.

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Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. They are very promising and inspiring. I will truly take your ideas into heart. Take care.

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Re: Plateau in training?
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my old karate teacher made this point by talking about trains:
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it starts its journey and cruises along, it will however pull into various stations and wait a bit, but it will eventually move on to the next station.




i think he missed the bit about the train backing up now and again too though.

after a bit of station time and 'backing up' i am sure i heard a whistle, the 'flying scotsman' is finally leaving the staion (i hope)

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I once had a talk about this with Sôke Inoue Kyoichi, the current Sôke of Hontaiyôshin-ryû Jûjutsu, and he referred to the situation as a "blockage on the upward drift".

Like you need to move on, higher, towards the teachings of your own teacher, but there's something there, blocking the way. And you just have to work and find a way to make it past/through it.

Only way to do this is by keeping on going

Who ever said Budô was easy?

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Re: Plateau in training?
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Yamazu wrote:
Only way to do this is by keeping on going


Yes, but you can go on in different manners as MrFranco said.

For example, if you have practiced henka, henka, henka very hard, you can concentrate on Kihon for a while.
If you have practiced waza, waza, waza very hard, you can check the distance, the angle, the timing etc. hidden behind each waza.
If you have done various things, then you can change the ratios.
Or it may be a good idea to watch QUEST DVDs/videos to review Kihon waza etc.

Anyway, I think something in your training is too short (or too much) now. So I recommend you practice differently. Staying away from training for a while can be a good solution.

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