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http://www.aikidojournal.com/article?articleID=85 Quote: Kuroda Sensei, do your thoughts concerning kata derive from the classical martial arts or are they uniquely your own? My ideas about kata are almost exactly the same. But, in the Bujinkan we for the most part can't do the kata this way. Everyone moves too differently to make it practical to do so.
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Brilliant post.
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Thank you for sharing this article. Kuroda is extremely good and a great ideal for perfection.
Posted on: 2010/6/16 16:27
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Now let’s consider the concept of kata from the jujutsu standpoint. Training begins from a seated position which is called idori or etori. In the first kata there are many steps in our movements compared to aikido techniques and it takes a long time to get to the point of throwing our opponent. Therefore, young people, especially, when watching our training express doubts and say things like, “If you were to move that slowly you wouldn’t be able to respond fast enough in a real situation, would you?” or “Wouldn’t it be more effective to train to deal with punches and kicks from the beginning?” A bit more from the article, and how one should view kata training. I seriously think this is the best approach to teaching and learning the kata of any school. However, in the Bujinkan most spend very little time with learning how to use our muscles properly within the kata. As if the kata in the Bujinkan has something to do with fighting technique. The kata my have certain basic techniques, but those should be trained under various conditions, outside the kata. Henka also will naturally come out of the kata, but if we spend to much time in henka- land what happens to the kata. Some say that the Bujinkan is only what works and what ever works is Bujinkan training. I happen to disagree. The Bujinkan is headed by Soke and what he is doing now is far beyond what anyone of us can do right now. We have to seek our own progression from beginner to his level. We shouldn't attempt short cuts. In my opinion our training should consist of first the basics of the Tenchijin, under various conditions i.e. differing versions of randori and non-compliant training. Kata training using proper distance and timing ( this is the most difficult in the bujinkan no one seems to punch remotely the same or at the right kinds of targets. Some punch 2 feet past the person, some a foot before the person some in a right hook formation. This makes most kata training fruitless.) Letting henka freely come out of the kata. Also there is the progression of Shu Ha Ri that is important. There isn't a need to hurry. "A rush for a win, will bring a loss".
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I belive someone has said, "don't copy the master, copy the process".
Kata are tools to teach us the concepts and principles of our art, so IMO neglecting kata is neglecting the art. This kind of bridge my thoughts concerning the "ranking tread" as a neglected area. Everybody wants to jump to henka (or rather doing their own individual stuff).
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I would have to agree with you. I also, like you, see how it should reflect one's rank and a ranking system one ought to use.
I think it will end up happening one day. All it takes are a few practioners to agree to begin seriously looking at the art, and study it to it's fullest and transmitting that method to their students. In the beginning of a lot of the shihans' training, it was all kihon under pressure then it moved towards the kata into what it is today. There is something to learn from this, I think. Finding it will be difficult however.
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Yes, I think that change is already in process. More and more see the need for structure and core, and when they get hands-on experience with proficient instructors and see and more important feel, the treasure buried in that study, they are bound to change. Otherwise they are openly fooling themselves and will fade quickly away.
It is facinating how the art can be "hidden in plain site" ![]() For the fear of profiling my self as someone with this kind of knowledge and skills, I am not! I am but a simple student fumbling in the arts. But I have met instructors with this quality and it has opened my eyes to a new world. Hence, I consider myself a beginner - taking a fresh new beginning.
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I feel the same way. I think we can have both structure and feeling. Chaos and order at the same time.
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Just to make myself clear on feeling - I am not talking about the typical "capture the feeling" idea that often are talked about when people have visited Japan or such.
More along the feeling as described by Kuroda in the interview.
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Is there another type? I think Hatsumi sensei and Kuroda sensei are talking basically about the same thing.
Posted on: 2010/6/16 23:12
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